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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Marcus Smythe" data-source="post: 3009082" data-attributes="member: 43198">-tags Tikiman and goes back over the rope for the last time- I'm out.  This will go nowhere.  There were occasional flashes of vague hope... but no.To the OP:  Feel free to nerf until its comfortable for you.  Once youve nerfed psionics enough that an optimized Wizard/Psion hybrid is on par with a collection of generally lower level, more poorly equipped, non-optimized characters, I imagine you will be happy, as may be the GMs that you play with that currently resist using psionics.Heck, people may even still play Psions... history proves that no matter how underpowered a class is, either mechanically or perception, some people will play it.. and others will optimize even the lowest of the low into performing well.I do have one closing question, and this is probably approprois nothing... what is your (I refer both to the OP and to Thanee) thought on the current running debate between the Creationists and the Evolutionists?-Scratch some of the above-You know, this is fascinating.  I think I'll stay and play after all, on the terms as they have been outlined."Why Psionics is Broken, and what is needed to fix it"Psionics suffers from an inflexible concept of power knowledge, limiting the ability of the Psion to fill the 'problem-solver' role in the party normally required of D4 classes.This stems from a number of factors:1.)  Feat Shortage.  Its difficult to emulate a Wizard when your down two feats right out the door. (Down three or four if you count the cost of actually USING metamagic, but... the Psion is a more casual user of metamagic than the Wizard, so this is a bonus).1a.)  Change Psions to recieve Psycrstals and Enscribe Power Stone for free at first level, same as Scribe Scroll and Familiar.  Note that Psicrystals are better in some ways than Familiar... but OTOH, a raven is just a raven.  A rock with ectoplasmic legs skittering along the ceiling draws comment.2.)  Any psion is by definition closed off from getting a vast majority of the basic 'wizarding options' that he needs to fill the wizard role in parties.2a.)  Allow Psions to choose freely from other discipline lists, perhaps limit them to one level lower than their current max level knowable.3.)  The psions need to pour PSPs into powers to keep them functional causes him to have shorter legs than the wizard.3a.)  While I'm tempted to suggest 'free scaling' up to the common breakpoint for Psions (IE, up to 10 dice for lvl 3 powers, etc), that might be a bit much.4.)  Psion mainstay powers, being low level, tend to fail in the presence of dispels or Globes.4a.)  Every two PsPs spent to enhance a power should also increase its level by 1 for purposes of effects that tend to cancel or counter said power.Im sure there are more, but thats a start.</blockquote>

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