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<blockquote data-quote="Taraxia" data-source="post: 3009329" data-attributes="member: 42426"><p>If you have a degree in "logic" (by which you mean what, a math concentration?) then you ought to know that anecdotal evidence means very little in these sorts of situations. There are way too many variables in people's subjective experience for any single person's experience saying "Psionics is broken" to mean anything on its own.</p><p></p><p>When we actually analyze the situation we see that you have a highly optimized psionic build, while the other characters have highly nerfed builds with many wasted feats and poor class synergies. The fact that your character is the most powerful therefore has *nothing* to do with what you picked and everything to do with the way it was built. Therefore *your experience* does not outweigh the *many, many, many* arguments the people on this thread have put forward in favor of psionics being balanced.</p><p></p><p>Your only arguments in this thread have been your personal experience, the fact that "DMs think psionics is unbalanced" (which, if you've taken logic, you should know is an invalid _argumentum ad populum_, your assumptions about *why* DMs ban psionics notwithstanding) and a very few other points that have mostly been addressed. ("Free" Energy Substitution? Sure, as though energy damage is what really matters to spellcasters. No material components? Oh, scary, as though spellcasters are actually scared of losing their components pouch more than they are being melee'd or grappled. Etc.)</p><p></p><p>Look, dude. I've been in a campaign where the most powerful character, by a long shot, was the *bard*. Because the bard was being played by an experienced player looking for a fun challenge while the rest of the characters were played by high-school freshman tyros.</p><p></p><p>Does the fact that this bard was regularly outdamaging my fighter or my fellow player's sorcerer mean that bards are more powerful than fighters and sorcerers? I sure hope not. Does the fact that in a very recent one-shot I played, my knight character consistently outshone my friend's cleric character, mean that knights are overpowered relative to clerics? Hell no.</p><p></p><p>You're not arguing in good faith, wildstarsreach -- you came into this thread with a highly provocative and controversial assumption, that psionics is *obviously* broken, that DMs ban it because it's broken, and it therefore needs clumsy fixes to make it more like all other forms of existing magic. You should've expected people to react badly to that assumption and had arguments to defend it that went beyond personal anecdotal experience. To do otherwise is a failing in logic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Taraxia, post: 3009329, member: 42426"] If you have a degree in "logic" (by which you mean what, a math concentration?) then you ought to know that anecdotal evidence means very little in these sorts of situations. There are way too many variables in people's subjective experience for any single person's experience saying "Psionics is broken" to mean anything on its own. When we actually analyze the situation we see that you have a highly optimized psionic build, while the other characters have highly nerfed builds with many wasted feats and poor class synergies. The fact that your character is the most powerful therefore has *nothing* to do with what you picked and everything to do with the way it was built. Therefore *your experience* does not outweigh the *many, many, many* arguments the people on this thread have put forward in favor of psionics being balanced. Your only arguments in this thread have been your personal experience, the fact that "DMs think psionics is unbalanced" (which, if you've taken logic, you should know is an invalid _argumentum ad populum_, your assumptions about *why* DMs ban psionics notwithstanding) and a very few other points that have mostly been addressed. ("Free" Energy Substitution? Sure, as though energy damage is what really matters to spellcasters. No material components? Oh, scary, as though spellcasters are actually scared of losing their components pouch more than they are being melee'd or grappled. Etc.) Look, dude. I've been in a campaign where the most powerful character, by a long shot, was the *bard*. Because the bard was being played by an experienced player looking for a fun challenge while the rest of the characters were played by high-school freshman tyros. Does the fact that this bard was regularly outdamaging my fighter or my fellow player's sorcerer mean that bards are more powerful than fighters and sorcerers? I sure hope not. Does the fact that in a very recent one-shot I played, my knight character consistently outshone my friend's cleric character, mean that knights are overpowered relative to clerics? Hell no. You're not arguing in good faith, wildstarsreach -- you came into this thread with a highly provocative and controversial assumption, that psionics is *obviously* broken, that DMs ban it because it's broken, and it therefore needs clumsy fixes to make it more like all other forms of existing magic. You should've expected people to react badly to that assumption and had arguments to defend it that went beyond personal anecdotal experience. To do otherwise is a failing in logic. [/QUOTE]
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