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<blockquote data-quote="takasi" data-source="post: 3009609" data-attributes="member: 20194">Can we agree then that the assertion that psions are balanced because they have fewer powers known is unfounded?How is he completely immune to this?&nbsp; Freedom of movement, using up a 4th lvl slot?&nbsp; This can be dispelled.&nbsp; A ring of fom?&nbsp; Why should the psion get this for free?&nbsp; Buffs can be dispelled, but the psion is always immune to this tactic.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Where is the drawback?Arcane casters don't take this because there is a cost involved:&nbsp; higher level spell slots AND feat slots.&nbsp; This doesn't make the ability bad; the ability is great, it's just not worth the high cost.Don't forget the most important benefit to having a simultaneously Stilled, Silent spells with eschew materials (3 free feats and 2 spell slots for the psion):&nbsp; interruptions.&nbsp; You cannot ready actions against psions.&nbsp; This is a significant advantage and I don't see the drawback for this.It's not a trade we're talking about here.&nbsp; I said if they were identical, except one class had the feature for free.&nbsp; What's the purpose of the advantage?It's still an advantage that needs to be balanced.&nbsp; Would you give them a level of outsider for free?Can you name a few of these spells so we can discuss them?Most of them are &quot;HD = caster level - 10&quot;, and the vast majority of encounters in published sources do not involve creatures that are 10 HD below the party.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="takasi, post: 3009609, member: 20194"] Can we agree then that the assertion that psions are balanced because they have fewer powers known is unfounded? How is he completely immune to this? Freedom of movement, using up a 4th lvl slot? This can be dispelled. A ring of fom? Why should the psion get this for free? Buffs can be dispelled, but the psion is always immune to this tactic. Why? Where is the drawback? Arcane casters don't take this because there is a cost involved: higher level spell slots AND feat slots. This doesn't make the ability bad; the ability is great, it's just not worth the high cost. Don't forget the most important benefit to having a simultaneously Stilled, Silent spells with eschew materials (3 free feats and 2 spell slots for the psion): interruptions. You cannot ready actions against psions. This is a significant advantage and I don't see the drawback for this. It's not a trade we're talking about here. I said if they were identical, except one class had the feature for free. What's the purpose of the advantage? It's still an advantage that needs to be balanced. Would you give them a level of outsider for free? Can you name a few of these spells so we can discuss them? Most of them are "HD = caster level - 10", and the vast majority of encounters in published sources do not involve creatures that are 10 HD below the party. [/QUOTE]

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