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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Marcus Smythe" data-source="post: 3009656" data-attributes="member: 43198">The Psion hardly gets his Ring of FOM for free.. I paid as much for mine as the Arcanist did for his, and I wanted it just as bad.  Ive got better things to do with my life than try to make concentration checks and praying while the improved-grabber-o-doom is warming up his Full Attack Action.  EVERY caster should get a ring of FoM.  Heck, everyone should get it.  Grab is too good, and the R of FoM is 'standard equipment' at my tables, because of it.I agree that any assertion based on the Psion being balanced with the Sorcerer based on powers known is likely false.RE:  Still, silent, etc.  Yup, a Psion can mask his casting in ways the mage cannot.  Nowhere in the psionics book does it say that you cant ready an action against it (and as it provokes AoOs, I and every GM I run with has ruled that its sufficiently obvious to ready against).  If you dont want to get readied against, go Quicken.If the two were completely identical, then of course, X+N>X, where the value of N is greater than 0.  However, the two are not externally identical (as you are so fond of pointing out) and I contend that the advantage, while not nonexistant, is also not sufficient to be unbalancing.  I contend that you overstate the value of N, and have said why.You know, I see where this is going.  You contend that in any time, in any way, psionics is better than magic, it is an advantage that needs to be balanced by Psionics giving up something it currently has to balance it out.  I contend that psionics gives up many things it Arcane magic currently has.  A few free feats, for one.  Continuing Support for another.  A Complete book that isnt errata+nerfs, for a third.  The ability to summon mutlilpe creatures at once, theres one.  Better Save-or-Dies, longer power list with lots of very useful specialized effects, more ability to buff the party, better board control, better AOE save-or-dies earlier.. As for 'No Save, Just Die'1.)  Otto's Irresistable Dance.  No Save.  Just Die.2.)  Mordenkainens Disjunction:  Hmm.. Okay, I take this one back half-way.. your items get a save.  So call it all your hanging effects and half your magic items.  Thats a 'W' in my book.3.)   Power Word:  Kill.4.)  Enervation Salvos.Above is core only, top-of-my-head only.</blockquote>

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