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<blockquote data-quote="Tikiman" data-source="post: 3009863" data-attributes="member: 43159"><p>It's a house rule no matter which way you go. There are no rules for what happens when you manifest without displays other then you manifest without displays. The closest analogy, casting without components, imposes a -10 to opponents spellcraft checks but is in every other way 100% identical to regular casting, including readied actions. Also, the XPH specifically states that manifesting a power causes a "faraway gaze, the focus on something other then the material world, and the split-second of focus required to manifest a power." You are 100% within your rights as DM to state that this is all it takes to set off a triggered action. The ball has been in your court from day 1. Now take that ball and hit your players squarely between the legs/eyes (as you see fit).</p><p></p><p></p><p>And I really feel the need to stick my nose into your business and give you a bit of advice about wildstarsreach's upcoming Erudite (sorry <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ). I would specifically like to call to attention the fact that you are 100% within your rights to deny him access to powers he tries to gain (except the 2/level he gets). Right in the description of the Erudite it states "many [psions] jealousy guard their higher level powers and charge much more (or deny access to them altogether)". This means that he can't just walk down to the local Psi-mart and pick up any power he wants to. Additionally, you have to take into account that you're playing in an Ebberon setting. There are almost no higher level casters in the world.</p><p></p><p>As evidence of this, I cite Sharn: City of Towers. Sharn is one of the largest cities on the planet, and it has the biggest magical goods economy ("If it can be bought, it can be bought here"). On page 23 it states that "There are no resident NPCs in Sharn who can cast spells of 7th level or higher, and few who can cast 6th level spells...are unlikely to exchange their services for gold, dealing instead in favors and services. As a general rule, characters can only purchase spells of 5th level or below. Finding higher-level spells should be part of a quest or adventure." And all of this applies to magic, which is insanely abundant in Eberron. I can only guess that psionic materials would be more difficult to find. This is <u>six times</u> more true for Discipline powers.</p><p></p><p>Now I'm not trying to tell you how to play your game, and I apologize if this comes off as bossy, but I really had to throw it out there. wildstarsreach is going to metagame the system to make his character powerful, so I suggest you metagame his power access in return to keep him in line with the rest of the party. He apparently refuses to balance himself in this regard.</p><p></p><p>Couldn't you do us all a favor and beat him until he makes a character on par with the rest of the group? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> I recommend Complete Psionic, as it's probably the only thing the book does properly.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Unfortunately the entire D&D system is based around the concept of encounters/day, so this system would have a lot of wonky loose ends. Powers that last 1hr/level would basically no longer have any cost. Extend Power + 10min/level powers would also have no cost. People would walk around continually re-manifesting Extended 1min/level powers as well. The Unearthed Arcana recharge system has similar faults.</p><p></p><p>The best I can suggest is my % resource card idea. Allow manifesters acces to 20% of their PP pool, +10%/CR the encounter exceeds the party level (so, party level 3 + CR 5 encounter = 40%, roughly 7pp). A similar system can, and should, be applied to casters as well. Though, actually, in your case it may be best to just apply this system to wildstarsreach only. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tikiman, post: 3009863, member: 43159"] It's a house rule no matter which way you go. There are no rules for what happens when you manifest without displays other then you manifest without displays. The closest analogy, casting without components, imposes a -10 to opponents spellcraft checks but is in every other way 100% identical to regular casting, including readied actions. Also, the XPH specifically states that manifesting a power causes a "faraway gaze, the focus on something other then the material world, and the split-second of focus required to manifest a power." You are 100% within your rights as DM to state that this is all it takes to set off a triggered action. The ball has been in your court from day 1. Now take that ball and hit your players squarely between the legs/eyes (as you see fit). And I really feel the need to stick my nose into your business and give you a bit of advice about wildstarsreach's upcoming Erudite (sorry ;) ). I would specifically like to call to attention the fact that you are 100% within your rights to deny him access to powers he tries to gain (except the 2/level he gets). Right in the description of the Erudite it states "many [psions] jealousy guard their higher level powers and charge much more (or deny access to them altogether)". This means that he can't just walk down to the local Psi-mart and pick up any power he wants to. Additionally, you have to take into account that you're playing in an Ebberon setting. There are almost no higher level casters in the world. As evidence of this, I cite Sharn: City of Towers. Sharn is one of the largest cities on the planet, and it has the biggest magical goods economy ("If it can be bought, it can be bought here"). On page 23 it states that "There are no resident NPCs in Sharn who can cast spells of 7th level or higher, and few who can cast 6th level spells...are unlikely to exchange their services for gold, dealing instead in favors and services. As a general rule, characters can only purchase spells of 5th level or below. Finding higher-level spells should be part of a quest or adventure." And all of this applies to magic, which is insanely abundant in Eberron. I can only guess that psionic materials would be more difficult to find. This is [U]six times[/U] more true for Discipline powers. Now I'm not trying to tell you how to play your game, and I apologize if this comes off as bossy, but I really had to throw it out there. wildstarsreach is going to metagame the system to make his character powerful, so I suggest you metagame his power access in return to keep him in line with the rest of the party. He apparently refuses to balance himself in this regard. Couldn't you do us all a favor and beat him until he makes a character on par with the rest of the group? :p I recommend Complete Psionic, as it's probably the only thing the book does properly. Unfortunately the entire D&D system is based around the concept of encounters/day, so this system would have a lot of wonky loose ends. Powers that last 1hr/level would basically no longer have any cost. Extend Power + 10min/level powers would also have no cost. People would walk around continually re-manifesting Extended 1min/level powers as well. The Unearthed Arcana recharge system has similar faults. The best I can suggest is my % resource card idea. Allow manifesters acces to 20% of their PP pool, +10%/CR the encounter exceeds the party level (so, party level 3 + CR 5 encounter = 40%, roughly 7pp). A similar system can, and should, be applied to casters as well. Though, actually, in your case it may be best to just apply this system to wildstarsreach only. ;) [/QUOTE]
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