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Why Psionics is broken and what to do to fix it
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<blockquote data-quote="Tikiman" data-source="post: 3012333" data-attributes="member: 43159"><p>The other reason I'm the 'bad cop' is that I'm an 'implacable foe'. I like to address each and every point raised by someone, in detail, and I won't let anything slide. People often get mad when I read what they wrote better then they did. Why do I do this? Because I'm a teacher and I like giving other people grades. So excuse me while I enjoy myself at your expense.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Broken compared to what? Compared to a fighter? Oh heck yeah. Lots of things are broken compared to them, psions included. Broken compared to a wizard is the usual debate though, and that's a bigger problem. I can provide a <a href="http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=471148" target="_blank">wizard build</a> that can do 73k damage in a single round (or 2k damage as a swift action). Can you make a psion do that? </p><p></p><p>Does that mean that all wizards are broken? No, it just means that with sufficient non-core material you can make stuff that can blow up the planet (oddly enough, fighters were the first to achieve this with the Hulking Hurler). It also means that there are broken abilities out there. Avoid the broken abilities (like Temporal Acceleration and Time Stop) and you'll avoid broken characters. I find it rather stupid that people think they should be able to do anything they want with the rules and then blame the game designers for not providing them with a perfect system that meets their exact needs. Powergamers are going to make broken stuff. That's why we call them powergamers.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, let me get this right. Personal anecdotal evidence outweighs logical debate? Anyone who says that is stupid and has their head in the sand. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>More importantly though, the psion is capable of outdoing the warmage on a per round damage scale (blasting is something psions do better, but they give up say Illusion for it). But in a per day scale he gets left in the dust. Again, it's not the psions fault he was balanced on a 4/day system, it's your DM's fault for not following the guidelines in the DMG. One encounter per day is a 'house rule', and a pretty lame one at that. Its almost as bad as only throwing a single monster at the players in an encounter. 4 actions/round trumps 1 action/round hardcore.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Wow, knowledge checks are the only thing useful outside of combat? I guess wizards can stop memorizing Invisibility (the psionic version blows, single target will save system), Fly (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), Summons (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), Teleport (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), Charm (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), Polymorph (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), Scrying (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), Fabricate (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), Detect Thoughts (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), and other such useless abilities. I wonder why I even wanted those pointless spells in the first place. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>@ Bacris: I'm not posting on the WotC forums cuz I currently hate them (Complete Psionics), but I'd like to say I love <a href="http://dreamscarredpress.com/main/index.php" target="_blank">Untapped Potential</a>. I paid $5 for a copy and am loving the Half-Giant material, the Phenotype Impressionist, and the Psicrystal Binder. One of my friends loves the Society Mind. Keep up the good work.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and if I've got the wrong Bacris, just ignore this. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tikiman, post: 3012333, member: 43159"] The other reason I'm the 'bad cop' is that I'm an 'implacable foe'. I like to address each and every point raised by someone, in detail, and I won't let anything slide. People often get mad when I read what they wrote better then they did. Why do I do this? Because I'm a teacher and I like giving other people grades. So excuse me while I enjoy myself at your expense. Broken compared to what? Compared to a fighter? Oh heck yeah. Lots of things are broken compared to them, psions included. Broken compared to a wizard is the usual debate though, and that's a bigger problem. I can provide a [URL=http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=471148]wizard build[/URL] that can do 73k damage in a single round (or 2k damage as a swift action). Can you make a psion do that? Does that mean that all wizards are broken? No, it just means that with sufficient non-core material you can make stuff that can blow up the planet (oddly enough, fighters were the first to achieve this with the Hulking Hurler). It also means that there are broken abilities out there. Avoid the broken abilities (like Temporal Acceleration and Time Stop) and you'll avoid broken characters. I find it rather stupid that people think they should be able to do anything they want with the rules and then blame the game designers for not providing them with a perfect system that meets their exact needs. Powergamers are going to make broken stuff. That's why we call them powergamers. So, let me get this right. Personal anecdotal evidence outweighs logical debate? Anyone who says that is stupid and has their head in the sand. :p More importantly though, the psion is capable of outdoing the warmage on a per round damage scale (blasting is something psions do better, but they give up say Illusion for it). But in a per day scale he gets left in the dust. Again, it's not the psions fault he was balanced on a 4/day system, it's your DM's fault for not following the guidelines in the DMG. One encounter per day is a 'house rule', and a pretty lame one at that. Its almost as bad as only throwing a single monster at the players in an encounter. 4 actions/round trumps 1 action/round hardcore. Wow, knowledge checks are the only thing useful outside of combat? I guess wizards can stop memorizing Invisibility (the psionic version blows, single target will save system), Fly (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), Summons (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), Teleport (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), Charm (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), Polymorph (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), Scrying (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), Fabricate (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), Detect Thoughts (5/6 of psions have to spend a feat), and other such useless abilities. I wonder why I even wanted those pointless spells in the first place. :p @ Bacris: I'm not posting on the WotC forums cuz I currently hate them (Complete Psionics), but I'd like to say I love [URL=http://dreamscarredpress.com/main/index.php]Untapped Potential[/URL]. I paid $5 for a copy and am loving the Half-Giant material, the Phenotype Impressionist, and the Psicrystal Binder. One of my friends loves the Society Mind. Keep up the good work. Oh, and if I've got the wrong Bacris, just ignore this. ;) [/QUOTE]
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