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Why Psionics is broken and what to do to fix it
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<blockquote data-quote="Marcus Smythe" data-source="post: 3013095" data-attributes="member: 43198"><p>Frylock... while I'm feeding you to the not nice poster (me, myself, being the nice guy)... im curious about a few things..</p><p></p><p>1.) Whose tracking that Psions PSPs? If hes fully augmenting every round, and the Warmage is casting every round, and the Warmage runs out of spells before the Psion runs out of PsPs (assuming both same level, same gear, blah blah freakin blah)... well, I dont buy it. </p><p>Now, if the Psion isnt full manifesting every round, but is instead throwing a bunch of lower cost powers to preserve PsPs... then theres no reason for his impact to be so much higher.</p><p></p><p>I suspect we have a situation not unlike the OPs, where we have a well built psion and the 'skill focus-basketweaving' rest of the party.</p><p></p><p>2.) "The Psions are so much more powerful than clerics/druids at that level"</p><p> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /> </p><p>I am... wow. Just wow. With a side of 'Your kidding, right?'</p><p>In the war between 15d6 Energy Rays and a Crash (that is to my recollection the technical term) of Animal Growthed Dire Bears... including the Animal Companion and the Druid herself for kicks...</p><p></p><p>You know that whole stupid civil war sig thing? Well, in this Civil War, I'm with the Crash of Freaking Buffed Dire Bears. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /> They said theyd come get me if I wasnt. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> And I'll run out of PSPs long before the Druid runs out of bears <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> </p><p></p><p>3.) As regards anecdotal evidence.. true, its grounded in experiment. I know.. lets get a group of the best number-crunchers in the history of D+D together, and tell them, with their knowledge of the system, to break it, and boil down what they consider the best-worst parts of D+D, as far as impact-to-effort. The folks who have no higher alliegance than to sheer IC power, and who consider Anthropomorphic Baleen Hulking Hurlers and Hydra-Dervishes multiattacking with Mouthpick Scimitars to be nothing more than tools to the end of breaking the game.</p><p>And lets give them all the books in the game to break, and see what they come up with, see what their best toys are, and what their basic appraisal of how-to-win-at-D+D is.</p><p></p><p>That sounds like a great experiment. Shall we run it, and see whether our observations tend to support or disprove the "Psionics-is-broken" hypothesis?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marcus Smythe, post: 3013095, member: 43198"] Frylock... while I'm feeding you to the not nice poster (me, myself, being the nice guy)... im curious about a few things.. 1.) Whose tracking that Psions PSPs? If hes fully augmenting every round, and the Warmage is casting every round, and the Warmage runs out of spells before the Psion runs out of PsPs (assuming both same level, same gear, blah blah freakin blah)... well, I dont buy it. Now, if the Psion isnt full manifesting every round, but is instead throwing a bunch of lower cost powers to preserve PsPs... then theres no reason for his impact to be so much higher. I suspect we have a situation not unlike the OPs, where we have a well built psion and the 'skill focus-basketweaving' rest of the party. 2.) "The Psions are so much more powerful than clerics/druids at that level" :confused: :eek: :heh: I am... wow. Just wow. With a side of 'Your kidding, right?' In the war between 15d6 Energy Rays and a Crash (that is to my recollection the technical term) of Animal Growthed Dire Bears... including the Animal Companion and the Druid herself for kicks... You know that whole stupid civil war sig thing? Well, in this Civil War, I'm with the Crash of Freaking Buffed Dire Bears. :heh: They said theyd come get me if I wasnt. :confused: And I'll run out of PSPs long before the Druid runs out of bears :( 3.) As regards anecdotal evidence.. true, its grounded in experiment. I know.. lets get a group of the best number-crunchers in the history of D+D together, and tell them, with their knowledge of the system, to break it, and boil down what they consider the best-worst parts of D+D, as far as impact-to-effort. The folks who have no higher alliegance than to sheer IC power, and who consider Anthropomorphic Baleen Hulking Hurlers and Hydra-Dervishes multiattacking with Mouthpick Scimitars to be nothing more than tools to the end of breaking the game. And lets give them all the books in the game to break, and see what they come up with, see what their best toys are, and what their basic appraisal of how-to-win-at-D+D is. That sounds like a great experiment. Shall we run it, and see whether our observations tend to support or disprove the "Psionics-is-broken" hypothesis? [/QUOTE]
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