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<blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 3861127" data-attributes="member: 51325">The problem though is how do you balance that with magic? I mean, as soon as you get to level 5, you hit flight and you can be invisible at the same time. Without magic, the guy who focused on being a melee specialist is just simply *BONED*.My problem with this discussion is that I don't think Conan, Aragorn and Arthur WERE high-level characters. I think you can duplicate them in using the E6 modification to the rules and they'll be as impressive as the equivalent-levelled wizard in such a system but in standard D&amp;D? Never.Even with the different XP tables in 1e/2e, did anyone honestly think a 18th level fighter (without the use of magical items which I agree basically turn him into Green Lantern...good analogy) was a match for a 16th level wizard?I stand by my statement when this discussion always comes up (Fighter/ magical or not). Gygax should;ve NEVER allowed magic in the hands of players in the form of clerics/wizards.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AllisterH, post: 3861127, member: 51325"] The problem though is how do you balance that with magic? I mean, as soon as you get to level 5, you hit flight and you can be invisible at the same time. Without magic, the guy who focused on being a melee specialist is just simply *BONED*. My problem with this discussion is that I don't think Conan, Aragorn and Arthur WERE high-level characters. I think you can duplicate them in using the E6 modification to the rules and they'll be as impressive as the equivalent-levelled wizard in such a system but in standard D&D? Never. Even with the different XP tables in 1e/2e, did anyone honestly think a 18th level fighter (without the use of magical items which I agree basically turn him into Green Lantern...good analogy) was a match for a 16th level wizard? I stand by my statement when this discussion always comes up (Fighter/ magical or not). Gygax should;ve NEVER allowed magic in the hands of players in the form of clerics/wizards. [/QUOTE]

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