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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3864874" data-attributes="member: 18280">Mundane doesn't have negative connotations for me in this sense.&nbsp; I'd be happy using other terms.&nbsp; I don't think that there is an objective answer to this.I assume that you are not talking about a sapling, so I would answer that for me this would be something more than mundane, something less than mystical.&nbsp; It would fall into a grey area.&nbsp; In one of the Tarzan novels, Tarzan throws a spear at a charging rhino, killing it.&nbsp; The spear passes almost through its body.&nbsp; This is another grey area for me; it certainly seemed jarring when I was reading the book.I agree with you that &quot;there is a wide gap between what is actually possible, and what people are willing to believe is possible. Often people are willing to accept far more than what is possible, and sometimes people do not accept what is actually quite possible.&quot;&nbsp; I was actually trying to say something of that nature.One of the things I didn't bring up at all is the existence of that grey area.&nbsp; For instance, in some anime, I take the hyperkinetic activity to be shorthand for how it feels to be in battle....not unlike the combat scenes in Gladiator.&nbsp; Nor do I mind the idea that some warriors become something more than human through their dedication and willpower.&nbsp; I just want more than one path, some of which better represent a mundane warrior, and others a mystical warrior.&quot;<s>uspension of disbelief is very important, and that is has ties to the real world. However, these ties only exist when mediated through human perception of the real world, and human imagination.&quot; might end up in my .sig.</s><s></s><s>My world is &quot;middle magic&quot; -- neither grim n' gritty nor Wahoo! 24/7.&nbsp; It has a place both for the mystic warrior (paladins, totem warriors, bear warriors, dervishes) and the mundane (fighter, non spellcasting ranger, some rogue builds).&nbsp; Mundane characters sometimes dabble in the mystical, and mystical characters sometimes dabble in the mundane.&nbsp; That's a good fit for the type of game I enjoy running.&nbsp; </s><s></s><s>I hope that something like this is possible in 4e.&nbsp; And, as I said earlier, it seems likely to me that it will be.&nbsp; If anything, the wizard is beating up the warrior and taking his stuff (arcane strike, for example).&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> </s><s></s><s></s><s>RC</s></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 3864874, member: 18280"] Mundane doesn't have negative connotations for me in this sense. I'd be happy using other terms. I don't think that there is an objective answer to this. I assume that you are not talking about a sapling, so I would answer that for me this would be something more than mundane, something less than mystical. It would fall into a grey area. In one of the Tarzan novels, Tarzan throws a spear at a charging rhino, killing it. The spear passes almost through its body. This is another grey area for me; it certainly seemed jarring when I was reading the book. I agree with you that "there is a wide gap between what is [i]actually possible[/i], and what people are [i]willing to believe is possible[/i]. Often people are willing to accept far more than what is possible, and sometimes people do not accept what is actually quite possible." I was actually trying to say something of that nature. One of the things I didn't bring up at all is the existence of that grey area. For instance, in some anime, I take the hyperkinetic activity to be shorthand for how it [i]feels[/i] to be in battle....not unlike the combat scenes in [i]Gladiator[/i]. Nor do I mind the idea that some warriors become something more than human through their dedication and willpower. I just want more than one path, some of which better represent a mundane warrior, and others a mystical warrior. "[S]uspension of disbelief is very important, and that is has ties to the real world. However, these ties only exist when mediated through human perception of the real world, and human imagination." might end up in my .sig. My world is "middle magic" -- neither grim n' gritty nor Wahoo! 24/7. It has a place both for the mystic warrior (paladins, totem warriors, bear warriors, dervishes) and the mundane (fighter, non spellcasting ranger, some rogue builds). Mundane characters sometimes dabble in the mystical, and mystical characters sometimes dabble in the mundane. That's a good fit for the type of game I enjoy running. I hope that something like this is possible in 4e. And, as I said earlier, it seems likely to me that it will be. If anything, the wizard is beating up the warrior and taking his stuff (arcane strike, for example). :lol: RC[/S] [/QUOTE]

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