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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Strangemonkey" data-source="post: 3870157" data-attributes="member: 6533">I firmly hope we have excellent non-magical powers available for martial characters at every level of play.I have equal hope that we have ridiculously fantastic superhuman powers for martial characters at higher levels of play.Certainly, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon completely opened my eyes to how wide fantasy should be, but...Achilles, man, Achilles.He wrestles a river.&nbsp; Sure, to get out of it he has to call in a god to turn into a sheet of fire and nuke the battlefield enough to convince the river to call uncle, but he still wrestles a river.Why?&nbsp; Because he has killed so many men that the river is afraid it will be dammed by all the corpses.At some point I want the option to play that in DnD.&nbsp; I want to throw martial world breakers at my players.&nbsp; Men and Women of will and fury so terrible they cause the gods to tremble.Invulnerability's got nothing to do with it.&nbsp; I just want that level of mythopsychodrama that portrayal of traumatic fury as a feedback loop for the pathetic fallacy to be available as something the PCs have to grapple with in themselves and others.At the same time:I would feel cheated if someone missed the opportunity to take that guy out with a character who was mundane in all ways except for a superhuman level of competency.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dr. Strangemonkey, post: 3870157, member: 6533"] I firmly hope we have excellent non-magical powers available for martial characters at every level of play. I have equal hope that we have ridiculously fantastic superhuman powers for martial characters at higher levels of play. Certainly, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon completely opened my eyes to how wide fantasy should be, but... Achilles, man, Achilles. He wrestles a river. Sure, to get out of it he has to call in a god to turn into a sheet of fire and nuke the battlefield enough to convince the river to call uncle, but he still wrestles a river. Why? Because he has killed so many men that the river is afraid it will be dammed by all the corpses. At some point I want the option to play that in DnD. I want to throw martial world breakers at my players. Men and Women of will and fury so terrible they cause the gods to tremble. Invulnerability's got nothing to do with it. I just want that level of mythopsychodrama that portrayal of traumatic fury as a feedback loop for the pathetic fallacy to be available as something the PCs have to grapple with in themselves and others. At the same time: I would feel cheated if someone missed the opportunity to take that guy out with a character who was mundane in all ways except for a superhuman level of competency. [/QUOTE]

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