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<blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 3875146" data-attributes="member: 51325">For me, it all depends on not what the fighter can do.It depends on what the WIZARD and CLERIC can do. Since the days of 0D&amp;D, through 1E/2E and up to 3.x, magic at high levels has been &quot;It&quot;.A 20th level 1e fighter stripped of his magical gear is simply boned (can't even damage foes of that level), a 10th level 2E fighter without access to magical flying is at the mercy of any flying foes (oh look, the wizard can fly about 5 levels back) and we all know about the Xmas tree effect of the 3.x fighter.If at 5th level, a 4E wizard can still fly (probably, this isn't true given how it seems like magic is getting nerfed) and yet people only want &quot;walking on branches&quot; by 25th level, I'd say the fighter is just as useless as before.EVERYTHING in this thread depends on what the MU can do IMO. People keep insisting they WANT Conan, Inigo Montoya etc yet not one of those &quot;classic&quot; fighters would be an effective partymember in a D&amp;D world....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AllisterH, post: 3875146, member: 51325"] For me, it all depends on not what the fighter can do. It depends on what the WIZARD and CLERIC can do. Since the days of 0D&D, through 1E/2E and up to 3.x, magic at high levels has been "It". A 20th level 1e fighter stripped of his magical gear is simply boned (can't even damage foes of that level), a 10th level 2E fighter without access to magical flying is at the mercy of any flying foes (oh look, the wizard can fly about 5 levels back) and we all know about the Xmas tree effect of the 3.x fighter. If at 5th level, a 4E wizard can still fly (probably, this isn't true given how it seems like magic is getting nerfed) and yet people only want "walking on branches" by 25th level, I'd say the fighter is just as useless as before. EVERYTHING in this thread depends on what the MU can do IMO. People keep insisting they WANT Conan, Inigo Montoya etc yet not one of those "classic" fighters would be an effective partymember in a D&D world.... [/QUOTE]

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