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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 812814" data-attributes="member: 5100">I forgot about Hawkeye.&nbsp; Definitely had some prowess with ranged.&nbsp; As you say, Legolas could be either a Ranger or a Fighter.&nbsp; Personally, I'd probably design him as a multiclass character.As for the high number of Ranger types who favor ranged combat, I'd devide them into two groups.&nbsp; The first group is the modern crowd, post gunpowder.&nbsp; From about 1800 on, combat = firearms.&nbsp; To say someone is a great shot is roughly the same as saying he is higher level.&nbsp; I give a bit less credence to some of the shootists for that reason.The second group is the bowmen.&nbsp; To me, the association between rangers and the ranged combat comes not so much from the Rangers' expertise with the bow, as it does from them having the brains to ambush their enemies whenever the option presents itself.All that is not to say that I don't think it's valid for Rangers to be good with a bow.&nbsp; Hey, that at least makes sense, unlike TWF.&nbsp; It just means that I only looked at the _really_ good marksmen.I'd say the monks don't so much have a &quot;combat path&quot; as they have a set list of bonus feats.&nbsp; I agree that most Rangers would follow a path all the way through.&nbsp; The mechanic bothers me in a lot of ways, but one of the chief is that once you've chosen your path it becomes a restriction (what about &quot;options, not restrictions&quot;).&nbsp; Also, there is the mix and match factor.&nbsp; Since I think restricting the list of feats to combat only is absurd, that opens up a lot of possibilities.&nbsp; I could see the &quot;never surprised&quot; ranger with Alertness, Improved Initiative, and Blind-Fighting.&nbsp; Or mix that with the archery feats.Also, with the general gain of feats every three levels, this means that a ranger focused on the bow (for example) needs to either spend his 3rd level feat on something unrelated to his focus or kiss away one of his class benefits later by taking Far Shot (or whatever) sooner than &quot;planned&quot; by WotC.&nbsp; Sounds like a real good way to unbalance the character.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 812814, member: 5100"] I forgot about Hawkeye. Definitely had some prowess with ranged. As you say, Legolas could be either a Ranger or a Fighter. Personally, I'd probably design him as a multiclass character. As for the high number of Ranger types who favor ranged combat, I'd devide them into two groups. The first group is the modern crowd, post gunpowder. From about 1800 on, combat = firearms. To say someone is a great shot is roughly the same as saying he is higher level. I give a bit less credence to some of the shootists for that reason. The second group is the bowmen. To me, the association between rangers and the ranged combat comes not so much from the Rangers' expertise with the bow, as it does from them having the brains to ambush their enemies whenever the option presents itself. All that is not to say that I don't think it's valid for Rangers to be good with a bow. Hey, that at least makes sense, unlike TWF. It just means that I only looked at the _really_ good marksmen. I'd say the monks don't so much have a "combat path" as they have a set list of bonus feats. I agree that most Rangers would follow a path all the way through. The mechanic bothers me in a lot of ways, but one of the chief is that once you've chosen your path it becomes a restriction (what about "options, not restrictions"). Also, there is the mix and match factor. Since I think restricting the list of feats to combat only is absurd, that opens up a lot of possibilities. I could see the "never surprised" ranger with Alertness, Improved Initiative, and Blind-Fighting. Or mix that with the archery feats. Also, with the general gain of feats every three levels, this means that a ranger focused on the bow (for example) needs to either spend his 3rd level feat on something unrelated to his focus or kiss away one of his class benefits later by taking Far Shot (or whatever) sooner than "planned" by WotC. Sounds like a real good way to unbalance the character. [/QUOTE]

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