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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dark Psion" data-source="post: 2124337" data-attributes="member: 959">I think Voyager and Enterprise failed for two key reasons.One: Failure to follow thru on the premiseGo back a look at the description of what Voyager was going to be; Maquis and Star Fleet in conflict, Maquis must learn to work within the rules and Star Fleet must learn when to break the rules and all of the crew must learn to survive without the resources of the Federation.And Enterprise is supposed to take place before everything we know even happened, but how long did it take both shows to go back to Holodecks, Feringi and Borg? Neither show took any risks, they kept it simple and stayed where it was safe. Look how many FX shots from Voyager have been recycled into Enterprise (Flea Ship= Romulan Drone, Science Station=MIDAS Array) as well as stories.Both of these series had something the writers and producers said they wanted, freedom from the franchise. They always complain that there is too much back story, people can't jump into Star Trek, well both of these series had the chance to create their own rules, their own universe.Two: Abandon the fan baseRemember when 2nd edition D&D got rid of Demons & Devils? They did it to appease the "Angry Mothers from Heck", those who disapproved of the game. But all they really did was piss of the fan base of gamers who actually played the game. Critics are not going to just stop criticising, that's what they do and they are not going to start buying the product just because you made a little change.Both Star Trek series tried to "reach a new audience" and there seemed an effort to divorce themselves from the "Trekkie" fan base. But all they managed to do was dumb down the shows and piss off the fan base. And after a while it got personal between the fans and Berman & Braga. You can see it in the writings of both sides, and if the final episode of Enterprise pulls off a Dallas-like ending *Spoiler* [spoiler] It was all a Holodeck program [/spoiler], B&B may need bodyguards.As with any TV or Movie series, it has to be made by someone who loves the topic and respects it. In the best shows, you can see a passion in the writers, actors and fans. I don't see it in the last two Star Trek series, I see more imagination on fan sites like <a href="http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/" target="_blank">Ex Astris Scientia</a> than in Enterprise, at least until the 4th season. You can tell Manny Coto is a fan and wants to please the fans. While Berman and Braga are just wandering around out in the corn field behind left field saying "We are very pleased".As far as most fans are concerned, they can keep pleasing themselves out there.</blockquote>

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