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Message: <blockquote data-quote="justanobody" data-source="post: 4691965" data-attributes="member: 70778"><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />Chill out on what, and what tone?I restated the proof required to quantitatively show what part the modifiers play in all the to-hit systems in order for Obryn to prove that they are not connected and do not add extra layers of complexity to the BAB system.There is no tone to it. When the equations are presented as asked for, it will be clear on two things:1- The modifiers and number thereof within a given system ads extra layers of complexity to the to-hit system2- The BAB system has such a vast amount of possible modifiers that it becomes intrinsically a more complex system than THAC0Which would prove Obryn in correct in saying the modifiers are separate, and they don't play that large a role in the complexity of the systems. Unless by providing those detailed equations he can prove myself wrong in that the number of possible modifiers from various things are in no way connected to the to-hit systems, and even still they do not add additional complexity to the systems.All Obryn was asked for was proof that his/her assertion was correct with qualitative evidence.I disagree and require proof of that assertion. Without access to 3rd edition books I cannot prove that assertion wrong, but the burden of proof lies with the one making the claim that it is so, such as Obryn did. Therefore I still await the proof of said claim.Anyone feel free to somehow show that a "number of modifiers is a separate issue", or that it has "nothing to do with THAC0 vs Attack Bonus."Math has no feelings, no emotions, no tone. This is what I have been saying from the start. If someone wants to read emotions or tone into anything I have written so far, then they are looking for something that is simply not there to begin with.My previous claims still stands undisputed with proof. THAC0 is efficient and simple.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /></blockquote>

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