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<blockquote data-quote="barsoomcore" data-source="post: 1718605" data-attributes="member: 812"><p>Alright, point one is uncontested. Wonderful. Onwards.</p><p></p><p>Your rebuttal to point two is that there are very few spellcasters above 4th level among the general population. No argument from me as to the truth of that assertion. I certainly agree that most folks in a D&D setting don't very often encounter spellcasters above 4th level. On the other hand, they will almost certainly encounter spellcasters below that level. Do you consider 4th level some kind of threshold point? I'm not saying there are high-level spellcasters everywhere. I'm just saying there are spellcasters everywhere.</p><p></p><p>At all levels of communities -- from thorps to metropolii -- average communities will have multiple spellcasters. The average hamlet described in DMG, of 200 souls, includes a 1st-level adept, a first-level wizard, a third-level cleric and two first-level clerics and a first-level druid. Does that sound like the average 200-person village in either Hyboria or Middle-Earth (can I stop saying "Third Age" every time?)? It sure doesn't sound like Bree, or Edoras, or even Minas Tirith. It doesn't sound like Aquilonia, or Khawarizm, or Bakalah.</p><p></p><p>Now, as to our personal conduct:</p><p></p><p>That's a brilliant tactic. "I'm going to smack you one across the chops, but then let's agree not to smack each other anymore. Doesn't that sound fair?" Nicely done.</p><p></p><p>Here's a better deal: You agree to stop making insulting assumptions about me, and I'll stop being so snide about your groundless arguments. Actually, you know what -- you go on trying to insult me. It's kind of amusing. And I'm actually really enjoying being snide about your groundless arguments.</p><p></p><p>If you think I've attacked you, rather than your arguments, then I apologize, and sincerely. It is not my intent to cast any aspersions on you personally. I don't know you, and I don't insult people whose character I am unaware of. And besides, ad hominem attacks are pointless, and I'm nothing if not efficient.</p><p></p><p>If there's a specific comment I made that you interpreted as an insult, I'd appreciate you letting me know, since it was done without intent and I would want to see how what I said could be interpreted as an insult, so as to avoid doing so in the future.</p><p></p><p>In that spirit, here are the attacks you've made against my person, as opposed to my arguments:</p><p></p><p>Meaning you were wrong once so you're probably dumb, which means you'll probably be wrong again. Oh, and here's an insinuation that you don't know anything about the source material.</p><p></p><p>Meaning you're probably dumber than I, so you didn't get what I did out of the source material.</p><p></p><p>Meaning you speak like a dummy so your logic must be faulty.</p><p></p><p>If I misinterpreted one of those comments feel free to explain what you meant. Please don't worry that you've hurt my feelings, or that I'm all upset now. I just don't like it when people take swipes at me for things I haven't done. Especially when it's something they've made a habit of themselves.</p><p></p><p>I don't agree that this discussion has passed the point of usefulness. I'm enjoying myself immensely, at any rate. But then, I'm right.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="barsoomcore, post: 1718605, member: 812"] Alright, point one is uncontested. Wonderful. Onwards. Your rebuttal to point two is that there are very few spellcasters above 4th level among the general population. No argument from me as to the truth of that assertion. I certainly agree that most folks in a D&D setting don't very often encounter spellcasters above 4th level. On the other hand, they will almost certainly encounter spellcasters below that level. Do you consider 4th level some kind of threshold point? I'm not saying there are high-level spellcasters everywhere. I'm just saying there are spellcasters everywhere. At all levels of communities -- from thorps to metropolii -- average communities will have multiple spellcasters. The average hamlet described in DMG, of 200 souls, includes a 1st-level adept, a first-level wizard, a third-level cleric and two first-level clerics and a first-level druid. Does that sound like the average 200-person village in either Hyboria or Middle-Earth (can I stop saying "Third Age" every time?)? It sure doesn't sound like Bree, or Edoras, or even Minas Tirith. It doesn't sound like Aquilonia, or Khawarizm, or Bakalah. Now, as to our personal conduct: That's a brilliant tactic. "I'm going to smack you one across the chops, but then let's agree not to smack each other anymore. Doesn't that sound fair?" Nicely done. Here's a better deal: You agree to stop making insulting assumptions about me, and I'll stop being so snide about your groundless arguments. Actually, you know what -- you go on trying to insult me. It's kind of amusing. And I'm actually really enjoying being snide about your groundless arguments. If you think I've attacked you, rather than your arguments, then I apologize, and sincerely. It is not my intent to cast any aspersions on you personally. I don't know you, and I don't insult people whose character I am unaware of. And besides, ad hominem attacks are pointless, and I'm nothing if not efficient. If there's a specific comment I made that you interpreted as an insult, I'd appreciate you letting me know, since it was done without intent and I would want to see how what I said could be interpreted as an insult, so as to avoid doing so in the future. In that spirit, here are the attacks you've made against my person, as opposed to my arguments: Meaning you were wrong once so you're probably dumb, which means you'll probably be wrong again. Oh, and here's an insinuation that you don't know anything about the source material. Meaning you're probably dumber than I, so you didn't get what I did out of the source material. Meaning you speak like a dummy so your logic must be faulty. If I misinterpreted one of those comments feel free to explain what you meant. Please don't worry that you've hurt my feelings, or that I'm all upset now. I just don't like it when people take swipes at me for things I haven't done. Especially when it's something they've made a habit of themselves. I don't agree that this discussion has passed the point of usefulness. I'm enjoying myself immensely, at any rate. But then, I'm right. [/QUOTE]
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