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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6237933" data-attributes="member: 67338">How do you tell a player no? especially when they didn't cheat to do it?2 examples, both real world things that happened.1)New player at your table at a LGS, you don't really know him but he seems cool, and has gotten along fine with everyone although a bit shy. You role played him meeting the party in town, and he joins you going to the dungeon, and the 1st combat starts. He rolls init, and the fight starts. Your orc awesome bad guy goes to charge, and he says "Attack of op, my chain gives me reach." then trips with such a high plus that even though he rolled a 6 and you rolled a 19 he still won... wow everyone laughs, then the second orc moves in and he says "Combat reflexes attack of op," so of the 5 orcs 4 of them are on there backs... then when they go to stand he trips them again...    second fight is against this awesome black guard oger you built... he trips him even with the size difference, and the oger is out of range to attack, and has to move to get up and gets triped again... This is his tactic, control the battle field.  You decide that his tactic doesn't work well against range attacks so you quickly make a tribe of gnoll archers and have them attack at the dungeon door, but he charges into the ranks of them, and owns them.   now what? he isn't a good friend, but by using rules you didn't see comeing (feats from5 books and a magic item from a 6th plus a combo of 4 classes on his 5th level character)[sblock=what happen] I was playing a ninja in this game, and that player didn't understand why we wanted him to tone down the character he thought we were 'picking on him' becse he was new.  ['sblock]2) You have two good friends who roll almost the exact same stats and decide they are playing brothers... this was not planed. one is a paliden who's back story is he is one of the best swordsmen in the land, he is a fighter 2/Paliden 4  the other one is his younger near do well brother who mostly did some shady things with the local thieves guild then got himself in trouble with a dark fey lord.. he is a swordsage 1/ Warlock 5. In game the first fight we learn that the younger brother has a higher AC, no big deal really... except most of his attacks are touch attacks, and he can add his eldritch blast to sword damage.  The paliden player feels upset, he is the swordsman that needs higher numbers on his D20 to hit, and even on a smite crit does what the other player does on average for damage. [Sblock=what I did] in retrospect I made a mistake, I was DMing here, I put a +4 Holy Avenger in game that had 5 spell like abilities on it, and I made rings of phantom armor that my main bad guys had that made there armor count vs touch AC... game didn't last long anyway [/sblock][sblock=a success story] in 4e we had a ranger that was ending fights multi in a row. He had this combo where when he crit he got a action point he could spend without it counting against his action point for the fight, and he had an armor that he could spend action points to regain dailies. The first time he killed a quarried target in a fight he got an action point too. He had a maxed out dex and wis and a super bow and I don't know what.       he almost always went 1st due to high intuitive (no other PC ever came close) when he action pointed the tac lord gave bonuses that normally meant he hit on 5's and he got 4 or 5 attacksWhen I asked him to tone it down he did... he still did more damage then the rest of the party on average (theif/tac lord/wizard/swordmage) but it wasn't killing 4 or 5 targets in the opening round.[/sblock]</blockquote>

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