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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6237964" data-attributes="member: 67338">reread the examples by the time the problem came up we were mid game... no one saw it coming...&nbsp;what about the 1st time you see one?&nbsp; Ok, so now that I had a game messed up by X I know next time... but it already ruined a game...&nbsp;OK, so I'm in your 4e game, and I'm playing a rouge, and so is Tom over there, I say &quot;You know some how even though we both use daggers and flank, he always does 10-20 more points of damage then me...&quot; well I am chewing on a pizza, what do you do to discourage that thought?Ok, so if in a 3.5 game my 15th level fighter looks at the Necromancer 3/Master spec 5/lore master 6/ Arch mage 1 and says &quot;Why is it he can totally do like everything and the whole game seems to revolve around finding ways to stop him from instant winning encounters?&quot; what then? it isn't a snap shot it is hours and hours of game play?or another real life example... Player A is a Ranger X/Rogue X/Barbarian X player B is a Fighter X/Barbarian X/ Prestige class X, and player C is a Barbarian 1/ Cleric 11 who divine meta magics buffs all day and only heals himself... what do you do when the other players say &quot;Why is he got the highest AC and to Hit and Damage every fight when WE TOOK COMBAT CLASSes?&quot; Again not a snap shot but 5 levels of reality...&nbsp;in that case (DM tried) only way to do so is to 5ft step... and that will take 3 rounds to close, and he can still trip on his turn, starting the lock, and getting up provokes another trip...&nbsp;becuse the character in question had 20ft of reach with some crazy (and legal by rules we didn't know would be a problem) swing (it might be 3sq reach it's been a while) &nbsp;Um, because he asked if he could play, had a character that looked ok at a glance, and the rules let you cherry pick... once again DM DID NOT SEE IT COMING&nbsp; and if you don't know that?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6237964, member: 67338"] reread the examples by the time the problem came up we were mid game... no one saw it coming... what about the 1st time you see one? Ok, so now that I had a game messed up by X I know next time... but it already ruined a game... OK, so I'm in your 4e game, and I'm playing a rouge, and so is Tom over there, I say "You know some how even though we both use daggers and flank, he always does 10-20 more points of damage then me..." well I am chewing on a pizza, what do you do to discourage that thought? Ok, so if in a 3.5 game my 15th level fighter looks at the Necromancer 3/Master spec 5/lore master 6/ Arch mage 1 and says "Why is it he can totally do like everything and the whole game seems to revolve around finding ways to stop him from instant winning encounters?" what then? it isn't a snap shot it is hours and hours of game play? or another real life example... Player A is a Ranger X/Rogue X/Barbarian X player B is a Fighter X/Barbarian X/ Prestige class X, and player C is a Barbarian 1/ Cleric 11 who divine meta magics buffs all day and only heals himself... what do you do when the other players say "Why is he got the highest AC and to Hit and Damage every fight when WE TOOK COMBAT CLASSes?" Again not a snap shot but 5 levels of reality... in that case (DM tried) only way to do so is to 5ft step... and that will take 3 rounds to close, and he can still trip on his turn, starting the lock, and getting up provokes another trip... becuse the character in question had 20ft of reach with some crazy (and legal by rules we didn't know would be a problem) swing (it might be 3sq reach it's been a while) Um, because he asked if he could play, had a character that looked ok at a glance, and the rules let you cherry pick... once again DM DID NOT SEE IT COMING and if you don't know that? [/QUOTE]

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