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Why the claim of combat and class balance between the classes is mainly a forum issue. (In my opinion)
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<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6238550" data-attributes="member: 17106"><p>OK because he doesn't have much in Str and Dex and Con for someone who faces death for a living. A tad worse than a wolf actually. And that's an "average" wolf (the level 1 wolf commoner, if you will).</p><p></p><p>He's better, just not much better.</p><p> </p><p>Seriously?</p><p></p><p>Well, let's see. Said wizard's spell is highly likely to fail. Said wizard can be felled by one nonmagical arrow from a thousand feet away before casting said spell. Said wizard can cast said spell only three or four times before being reduced to cantrips and relatively unskilled crossbow use (all of this true through most versions of D&D). So yes.</p><p></p><p>Have you ever seen what happens when, instead of casting the spells on himself (or in addition to doing so), the druid casts them on a well optimized fighter (/barbarian/ranger)? It seems not. Teamwork, people.</p><p></p><p>Because druids and fighters are different?</p><p></p><p>Uh, unless you allow more than 10 feats.</p><p></p><p>Having had 12 years of patterns, including many druids and many martial characters played alongside them, I cannot recall any case wherein the latter was not considerably better at fighting than the former and his animal combined. The usefulness of the druid is versatility (of which he has much more than any fighter), not raw combat strength.</p><p></p><p>I do remember one battle under the old 3.0 animal companion rules where one animal was the beneficiary of a sorcerer who time stopped and asked for a separate limited wish to ensure a critical on every one of the animal's attacks, which I granted. At that point, the animal is better. Short of that, the animal is unintelligent, has serious defensive limitations, lacks feats, and struggles to work with magic items (which the druid has to decide how to split between himself and his animal and of which there aren't that many that work well for either one of them). The last two PCs I had with animal companions both had them slaughtered, and I don't recall either of them contributing much more than a flanking bonus and the occasional trip or grapple.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 6238550, member: 17106"] OK because he doesn't have much in Str and Dex and Con for someone who faces death for a living. A tad worse than a wolf actually. And that's an "average" wolf (the level 1 wolf commoner, if you will). He's better, just not much better. Seriously? Well, let's see. Said wizard's spell is highly likely to fail. Said wizard can be felled by one nonmagical arrow from a thousand feet away before casting said spell. Said wizard can cast said spell only three or four times before being reduced to cantrips and relatively unskilled crossbow use (all of this true through most versions of D&D). So yes. Have you ever seen what happens when, instead of casting the spells on himself (or in addition to doing so), the druid casts them on a well optimized fighter (/barbarian/ranger)? It seems not. Teamwork, people. Because druids and fighters are different? Uh, unless you allow more than 10 feats. Having had 12 years of patterns, including many druids and many martial characters played alongside them, I cannot recall any case wherein the latter was not considerably better at fighting than the former and his animal combined. The usefulness of the druid is versatility (of which he has much more than any fighter), not raw combat strength. I do remember one battle under the old 3.0 animal companion rules where one animal was the beneficiary of a sorcerer who time stopped and asked for a separate limited wish to ensure a critical on every one of the animal's attacks, which I granted. At that point, the animal is better. Short of that, the animal is unintelligent, has serious defensive limitations, lacks feats, and struggles to work with magic items (which the druid has to decide how to split between himself and his animal and of which there aren't that many that work well for either one of them). The last two PCs I had with animal companions both had them slaughtered, and I don't recall either of them contributing much more than a flanking bonus and the occasional trip or grapple. [/QUOTE]
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