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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6238629" data-attributes="member: 67338">please tell me why charm person is a 'char op board thing'&nbsp; maybe you don't allow PHB spells in your game.... so the wizards in your games NEVER have the&nbsp; the spell for the situation? NEVER? no wizard ever picked charm person right before you needed to charm someone, or prying eyes when they knew you needed to scout a large area, or Invisability when they knew stealth was needed? what better to prep your spells then what is needed???&nbsp; Yes and when you play over the years you learn that it is a very basic class with only 1 or 2 things it does well and other classes do them better... that's my problem I want the rogue to be a fun class not a trap one...&nbsp;I guess if I don't compare it to a PHB druid with no multi classing and who only needs 1 feat... yea...I AM NOT CAREING ABOUT CHAROP PLEASE STOP THAT... CHAR OP CAN MAKE ANY CLASS GOOD, BUT MORE THEN HALF THE CLASSES ARE TRAPS WITHOUT IT AND THE FEW LEFT CAN BE AS GOOD WITH NO OPTIMAZATION....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6238629, member: 67338"] please tell me why charm person is a 'char op board thing' maybe you don't allow PHB spells in your game... . so the wizards in your games NEVER have the the spell for the situation? NEVER? no wizard ever picked charm person right before you needed to charm someone, or prying eyes when they knew you needed to scout a large area, or Invisability when they knew stealth was needed? what better to prep your spells then what is needed??? Yes and when you play over the years you learn that it is a very basic class with only 1 or 2 things it does well and other classes do them better... that's my problem I want the rogue to be a fun class not a trap one... I guess if I don't compare it to a PHB druid with no multi classing and who only needs 1 feat... yea... [SIZE=4]I AM NOT CAREING ABOUT CHAROP PLEASE STOP THAT... CHAR OP CAN MAKE ANY CLASS GOOD, BUT MORE THEN HALF THE CLASSES ARE TRAPS WITHOUT IT AND THE FEW LEFT CAN BE AS GOOD WITH NO OPTIMAZATION....[/SIZE] [/QUOTE]

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