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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6238641" data-attributes="member: 67338">wait... the only way to be good at combat is to put an 18 in a combat stat? 14 and 15 are not good enough?Well we don't see many fighters... but characters with 15 high stat yea.I had a character (Based on the DC comic book character FATE) who was a magic item thief until in a botched robbery a magic staff blew up and imbued him with magic.  He was a Rogue/sorcerer/Arcane trickster... his starting stats were 11 Str 15 Dex 8 Con 13 Int 14 Wis 15 Cha... I was awesome, do you belice that is really optimal?  So I can get +4 initiative or a second character and a group of lesser characters...  yea totally weaker <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm    :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />   lets take the swashbuckler... if he picks up a 4th level cleric cohort (little john) and that cohort has a +1 con he has 4d8+4 hp... compare to 6d6+6 not seeing a big down side...  only if you think it is balanced to get to twenty by 7+7+3+3 and that the 3's are balanced with the 7's the druid is better off with another druid then a fighter 7 out of 10 times... ha ha ha you are so funny, yea it is totally fair that my PC needs yours to buff me, and without you I can't keep up or you could buff yourself and not need me... The problem is the bell curve isn't what you say... it is WAY more biased toward overpowered then weak...  first even giving the fighter god like stats of 18 str 16 dex 16 con 14 Int 14 wis 13 cha is still not going to keep up with a druid... or they do and dominate... you still get feats every 3 HD and can still get magic items and buffs... but when you put a buff int he fighter it goes to only 1 target, when you put it on the druid the animal gets it too...more bang for your buck...I want to know what you think an average stat roll is... because I am floored that you think it is anywhere close to 6 18'sI will roll 4d6 drop the lowest 7 times and drop the lowest (Way better then average) and see what I get:1) 4,3,3,3  so 102) 5,4,5,1 so 143) 1,2,4,6 so 124) 5,5,2,3 so 135) 6,4,4,1 so 146) 6,5,5,5 so 167) 2,2,4,5 so 11you know what I'm gonna do that again...1) 5,5,4,3 so 142) 1,1,2,4 so 73) 3,4,4,3 so 114) 5,5,5,5 so 155) 4,4,2,6 so 146) 4,4,2,3 so 117) 1,6,5,3 so 14so 2 character... one has  16,14,14,13,12,11 the other has 15,14,14,14,11,11 both appear above average to menow the rolling meathod I am most used too4d6 drop lowest 6 times1) 5,5,1,1 so 112) 2,2,4,1 so 83) 6,3,3,3 so 124) 6,5,1,1 so 125) 5,5,3,2 so 136) 6,6,4,3 so 16I end up with 16,13,12,12,11,8I'm having fun here so I'm gonna make a 3d6 cohort..1) 5,3,3 so 112) 4,2,6 so 123) 6,5,4 so 154) 1,2,4 so 75) 3,3,5 so 116) 6,6,6 OMG an 18 on a nat 3d6....that would be an awesome sorcerer cohort... 11 str 12 dex 15 con 7 Int 11 Wis and 18 CHa... a blond ditz with spells... I would kill to have that cohort...</blockquote>

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