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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6239031" data-attributes="member: 7635">Gonna stop ya right there...The THIEF class (as Basic/AD&amp;D defined him) wasn't really what I'd call a combat class as much as a class that does combat. They had the third worst Thac0 chart (1:2 levels, better than a wizards 1:3, worse than a cleric's 2:3), third worst HD (d6, though BD&amp;D thieves roll 1d4). They worse leather armor, fought with one-handed weapons and bows, and generally were squishy as all heck. We also forget Backstab wasn't sneak-attack; it could only be used when the foe was unaware of the thief. (No flank, useless if the thief is seen/heard) It granted a +4 to hit and x2-x5 (based on level) Base Weapon Damage. That isn't much against most foes; it might take out a goblin, a weakened ogre, or a guard. Its not taking out most monsters of appropriate challenge. As stated, its also only a one-time per encounter. Additionally, the thief doesn't have weapon finesse, evasion, uncanny dodge, or other rogue-tricks. To be honest, the thief's best trick was to get a bow and archer it up (taking advantage of that dex score). They were not a combat class until sneak attack became somewhat-reliable in 3.0.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 6239031, member: 7635"] Gonna stop ya right there... The THIEF class (as Basic/AD&D defined him) wasn't really what I'd call a combat class as much as a class that does combat. They had the third worst Thac0 chart (1:2 levels, better than a wizards 1:3, worse than a cleric's 2:3), third worst HD (d6, though BD&D thieves roll 1d4). They worse leather armor, fought with one-handed weapons and bows, and generally were squishy as all heck. We also forget Backstab wasn't sneak-attack; it could only be used when the foe was unaware of the thief. (No flank, useless if the thief is seen/heard) It granted a +4 to hit and x2-x5 (based on level) Base Weapon Damage. That isn't much against most foes; it might take out a goblin, a weakened ogre, or a guard. Its not taking out most monsters of appropriate challenge. As stated, its also only a one-time per encounter. Additionally, the thief doesn't have weapon finesse, evasion, uncanny dodge, or other rogue-tricks. To be honest, the thief's best trick was to get a bow and archer it up (taking advantage of that dex score). They were not a combat class until sneak attack became somewhat-reliable in 3.0. [/QUOTE]

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