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<blockquote data-quote="Sage Genesis" data-source="post: 6239065" data-attributes="member: 6706099">Let me show you.====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&amp;D Character Builder ======Examplor the Pacifist, level 5Human, WizardArcane Implement Mastery Option: Staff of DefenseFINAL ABILITY SCORESSTR 11, CON 15, DEX 14, INT 19, WIS 10, CHA 10&nbsp;AC: 20 Fort: 17 Ref: 19 Will: 17HP: 46 Surges: 8 Surge Value: 11&nbsp;TRAINED SKILLSArcana +11, Diplomacy +7, History +11, Insight +7, Religion +11&nbsp;UNTRAINED SKILLSAcrobatics +4, Athletics +2, Bluff +2, Dungeoneering +2, Endurance +4, Heal +2, Intimidate +2, Nature +2, Perception +2, Stealth +4, Streetwise +2, Thievery +4&nbsp;POWERSWizard Utility: SpookWizard Utility: PrestidigitationWizard Utility: LightWizard Utility: Mage HandWizard Attack 1: SleepWizard Attack 1: HypnotismWizard Attack 1: Howling WallWizard Attack 1: Illusory ObstaclesWizard Attack 1: Bewitching CharmWizard Utility 2: Instant FriendsWizard Utility 2: ShieldWizard Attack 3: Blissful IgnoranceWizard Attack 5: Visions of AvariceWizard Attack 5: Web&nbsp;====== End ======I edited out some of the irrelevant stuff for brevity's sake. What we have here is a 5th level 4e wizard with not a single damaging power. It took me maybe four minutes to make. Can't make a wizard with half the powers doing no damage on a bet? I'll take that bet. What did I win?Ah yes, when the debate goes against you we throw out the ad hominems. Call into question the validity of the argument by questioning the validity of the person himself. Predictable but still has a charm all its own.As for the rest of your post, you didn't make any relevant points so there's nothing for me to respond to.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sage Genesis, post: 6239065, member: 6706099"] Let me show you. ====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ====== Examplor the Pacifist, level 5 Human, Wizard Arcane Implement Mastery Option: Staff of Defense FINAL ABILITY SCORES STR 11, CON 15, DEX 14, INT 19, WIS 10, CHA 10 AC: 20 Fort: 17 Ref: 19 Will: 17 HP: 46 Surges: 8 Surge Value: 11 TRAINED SKILLS Arcana +11, Diplomacy +7, History +11, Insight +7, Religion +11 UNTRAINED SKILLS Acrobatics +4, Athletics +2, Bluff +2, Dungeoneering +2, Endurance +4, Heal +2, Intimidate +2, Nature +2, Perception +2, Stealth +4, Streetwise +2, Thievery +4 POWERS Wizard Utility: Spook Wizard Utility: Prestidigitation Wizard Utility: Light Wizard Utility: Mage Hand Wizard Attack 1: Sleep Wizard Attack 1: Hypnotism Wizard Attack 1: Howling Wall Wizard Attack 1: Illusory Obstacles Wizard Attack 1: Bewitching Charm Wizard Utility 2: Instant Friends Wizard Utility 2: Shield Wizard Attack 3: Blissful Ignorance Wizard Attack 5: Visions of Avarice Wizard Attack 5: Web ====== End ====== I edited out some of the irrelevant stuff for brevity's sake. What we have here is a 5th level 4e wizard with [U]not a single[/U] damaging power. It took me maybe four minutes to make. Can't make a wizard with half the powers doing no damage on a bet? I'll take that bet. What did I win? Ah yes, when the debate goes against you we throw out the ad hominems. Call into question the validity of the argument by questioning the validity of the person himself. Predictable but still has a charm all its own. As for the rest of your post, you didn't make any relevant points so there's nothing for me to respond to. [/QUOTE]

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