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Why the claim of combat and class balance between the classes is mainly a forum issue. (In my opinion)
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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6240058" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>Naw, you misquoted him. He said two things: 1) it is primarily about combat (primary means roughly 51% or more), and 2) 90% of the <strong>rules </strong>are for combat, not that 90% or 100% of what happens during the game is about combat. </p><p></p><p>I think we can agree that a lot of the stuff that happens in the game that is non-combat in nature, is also often (but not always) not rules-focused in nature. It's people role playing, without rules-constraints (much of the time, but not always). He's saying that takes up 49% or less of what happens during the game, not 0%.</p><p></p><p>So it's not mutually exclusive to say that D&D is primarily about combat, that 9 out of 10 rules are about combat, and also that it is not a game <strong>about </strong>combat. Because that 1 in 10 rules about non-combat stuff can result in far more than 1 in 10 minutes at the table used for actual play (for role playing). In his view it takes up less than half the game, in his view the majority of time is combat oriented. But he's not saying it's only combat.</p><p></p><p>I know it's a bit of a subtle difference, but that is the difference he is focusing on, and you did strawman him by misconstruing what he said. He never said "D&D is about combat" or that "people playing it differently are doing it wrong". Those are all words you put in his mouth, and what he's upset about. </p><p></p><p>Some friendly advice, which you are free to discard at will: instead of paraphrasing what you think people said, just quote their actual words in your response and don't re-phrase it. Every time in this thread when you've paraphrased what people have said, you got it wrong (from their perspective) and change some context or removed some part of it that the poster felt was important to what they were saying. If you stop inferring meaning and just talk about what they directly said, and just what they said, you'd likely get a lot fewer people pissed off at you and sticking you on their ignore list. Again, that's just friendly advice, I am in no way a moderator, so feel free to entirely ignore it if you so choose. But, I think it would make things go easier here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6240058, member: 2525"] Naw, you misquoted him. He said two things: 1) it is primarily about combat (primary means roughly 51% or more), and 2) 90% of the [B]rules [/B]are for combat, not that 90% or 100% of what happens during the game is about combat. I think we can agree that a lot of the stuff that happens in the game that is non-combat in nature, is also often (but not always) not rules-focused in nature. It's people role playing, without rules-constraints (much of the time, but not always). He's saying that takes up 49% or less of what happens during the game, not 0%. So it's not mutually exclusive to say that D&D is primarily about combat, that 9 out of 10 rules are about combat, and also that it is not a game [B]about [/B]combat. Because that 1 in 10 rules about non-combat stuff can result in far more than 1 in 10 minutes at the table used for actual play (for role playing). In his view it takes up less than half the game, in his view the majority of time is combat oriented. But he's not saying it's only combat. I know it's a bit of a subtle difference, but that is the difference he is focusing on, and you did strawman him by misconstruing what he said. He never said "D&D is about combat" or that "people playing it differently are doing it wrong". Those are all words you put in his mouth, and what he's upset about. Some friendly advice, which you are free to discard at will: instead of paraphrasing what you think people said, just quote their actual words in your response and don't re-phrase it. Every time in this thread when you've paraphrased what people have said, you got it wrong (from their perspective) and change some context or removed some part of it that the poster felt was important to what they were saying. If you stop inferring meaning and just talk about what they directly said, and just what they said, you'd likely get a lot fewer people pissed off at you and sticking you on their ignore list. Again, that's just friendly advice, I am in no way a moderator, so feel free to entirely ignore it if you so choose. But, I think it would make things go easier here. [/QUOTE]
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