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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6242391" data-attributes="member: 87792">OK.&nbsp; Let's recap this conversation.It started off by Mistwell claiming that the Forge had sunk without trace (and inviting us to discuss things of all places on The RPG Site).I pointed out that the Forge had closed - after doing what it intended to involving awesome games including Fate, Dogs in the Vineyard, and Burning Wheel.&nbsp; As such the Forge was a spectacular success.&nbsp; And for the purpose of what was produced the Forge's goal was to produce independent games and publishers of independent games.&nbsp; Lumpley, Burning Wheel, and Bully Pulpit came straight out of The Forge, and Evil Hat and their games came via The Forge.&nbsp; All for the purposes of this discussion are Forge games even if Burning Wheel is not much like what you'd expect a stereotypical game from The Forge to be likeYou seem to want to pedant this discussion to be about what games used the IMO deeply flawed Forge theory rather than what came out of The Forge in line with the intent of the Forge itself.&nbsp; And if we are talking about The Forge's effect then looking at the games it has affected in line with its intent is absolutely the right way of treating it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6242391, member: 87792"] OK. Let's recap this conversation. It started off by Mistwell claiming that the Forge had sunk without trace (and inviting us to discuss things of all places on The RPG Site). I pointed out that the Forge had closed - after doing what it intended to involving awesome games including Fate, Dogs in the Vineyard, and Burning Wheel. As such the Forge was a spectacular success. And for the purpose of what was produced the Forge's goal was to produce independent games and publishers of independent games. Lumpley, Burning Wheel, and Bully Pulpit came straight out of The Forge, and Evil Hat and their games came via The Forge. All for the purposes of this discussion are Forge games even if Burning Wheel is not much like what you'd expect a stereotypical game from The Forge to be like You seem to want to pedant this discussion to be about what games used the IMO deeply flawed Forge theory rather than what came out of The Forge [I]in line with the intent of the Forge itself[/I]. And if we are talking about The Forge's effect then looking at the games it has affected in line with its intent is absolutely the right way of treating it. [/QUOTE]

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