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<blockquote data-quote="Ratskinner" data-source="post: 6242655" data-attributes="member: 6688937">I don't find it puzzling at all, and I find it puzzling that you do<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />.That Edwards' theory/philosophy/terminology has spread so far to end up influencing so much conversation outside the Forge...and then people get pointed to the Forge when they don't understand the terms...doesn't help any either. Overall, the site does (IMO) a very poor job distinguishing its presentation of the theories as distinct from the other portions of its mission.Take a look at the &quot;Story Now&quot; essay page. Is there a disclaimer&nbsp; anywhere that these views don't represent the views of the Forge, or&nbsp; that they only represent the views of the author? If there is, it doesn't show on my browser. Do you figure that a person going to that page to discover what you or I mean by Narrativism is going to take the time to explore the rather large forums and discover that games are developed there that do not adhere to the GNS theory? I wouldn't expect so, and given the presentation of the articles, and the fact that most article pages list Edwards as one of the site admins...I think the default impression would be that the Forge develops games in accordance to the GNS theories of its admins.&nbsp;[MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION], in one of our earliest encounters on this site, you&nbsp; identified yourself as a &quot;Forgite&quot; (or something similar, Forgist maybe?). Surely you&nbsp; meant to imply something more significant with that than you have&nbsp; participated in their forums, yes? I am fairly confident, given the&nbsp; context, that you meant to imply that you accept the general conclusions&nbsp; of the GNS theories, etc. and not that you adhere/advocate the&nbsp; principles you outline above. (Not that you don't adhere to those, but&nbsp; I'm fair sure its not what you meant by introducing yourself as a&nbsp; Forgite.) You didn't, for example, identify yourself as a GNSian or&nbsp; Edwardsian. If I'm right about that, it shouldn't be too hard to see how&nbsp; others associate the Forge with that theory and its implementation in&nbsp; game design more than simply promoting indie games, or the indie&nbsp; definitions you have cited.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ratskinner, post: 6242655, member: 6688937"] I don't find it puzzling at all, and I find it puzzling that you do:confused:. That Edwards' theory/philosophy/terminology has spread so far to end up influencing so much conversation outside the Forge...and then people get pointed to the Forge when they don't understand the terms...doesn't help any either. Overall, the site does (IMO) a very poor job distinguishing its presentation of the theories as distinct from the other portions of its mission.Take a look at the "Story Now" essay page. Is there a disclaimer anywhere that these views don't represent the views of the Forge, or that they only represent the views of the author? If there is, it doesn't show on my browser. Do you figure that a person going to that page to discover what you or I mean by Narrativism is going to take the time to explore the rather large forums and discover that games are developed there that [I]do not[/I] adhere to the GNS theory? I wouldn't expect so, and given the presentation of the articles, and the fact that most article pages list Edwards as one of the site admins...I think the default impression would be that the Forge develops games in accordance to the GNS theories of its admins. [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION], in one of our earliest encounters on this site, you identified yourself as a "Forgite" (or something similar, Forgist maybe?). Surely you meant to imply something more significant with that than you have participated in their forums, yes? I am fairly confident, given the context, that you meant to imply that you accept the general conclusions of the GNS theories, etc. and not that you adhere/advocate the principles you outline above. (Not that you don't adhere to those, but I'm fair sure its not what you meant by introducing yourself as a Forgite.) You didn't, for example, identify yourself as a GNSian or Edwardsian. If I'm right about that, it shouldn't be too hard to see how others associate the Forge with that theory and its implementation in game design more than simply promoting indie games, or the indie definitions you have cited. [/QUOTE]

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