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<blockquote data-quote="Bluenose" data-source="post: 6243362" data-attributes="member: 49017">In combat, the theory is that your attack roll doesn't represent one attempt at something but rather a series of attacks. It's not exactly common for them all to hit. So, there's the failures you learn from built into the system. And I don't agree entirely with the idea that you keep getting better at things through repetition. I think it's only true up to a point. Once you reach that point, it's the occasional failures you learn from far more than the regular successes. What went wrong, why it went wrong, and how you can you correct it? Figuring that out is how you improve your skills at something. I have a little familiarity with the D100 system, yes. Fate has some similar mechanics, in that aspects can be tagged by the player spending a Fate point for the bonus, or the GM can offer to pay the player a FP but then bring that Aspect into play. An aspect like Sticky Fingers might help you when you want to steal something; if you want to not steal things, that's the time the GM can offer you the FP. Actually there are plenty of games where the players will sometimes choose to fail. Any time the price of succeeding is more than the player wants their character to pay is an example. You can even argue it's the case in D20 Modern, with regard to the Wealth system in that game where you could reduce your skill by exceeding it's limits. I seem to remember that the Honour rules in Oriental Adventures also included ways that PCs could have their honour after successful actions or failures. So it's not even unprecedented in D&amp;D/D20.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bluenose, post: 6243362, member: 49017"] In combat, the theory is that your attack roll doesn't represent one attempt at something but rather a series of attacks. It's not exactly common for them all to hit. So, there's the failures you learn from built into the system. And I don't agree entirely with the idea that you keep getting better at things through repetition. I think it's only true up to a point. Once you reach that point, it's the occasional failures you learn from far more than the regular successes. What went wrong, why it went wrong, and how you can you correct it? Figuring that out is how you improve your skills at something. I have a little familiarity with the D100 system, yes. Fate has some similar mechanics, in that aspects can be tagged by the player spending a Fate point for the bonus, or the GM can offer to pay the player a FP but then bring that Aspect into play. An aspect like Sticky Fingers might help you when you want to steal something; if you want to not steal things, that's the time the GM can offer you the FP. Actually there are plenty of games where the players will sometimes choose to fail. Any time the price of succeeding is more than the player wants their character to pay is an example. You can even argue it's the case in D20 Modern, with regard to the Wealth system in that game where you could reduce your skill by exceeding it's limits. I seem to remember that the Honour rules in Oriental Adventures also included ways that PCs could have their honour after successful actions or failures. So it's not even unprecedented in D&D/D20. [/QUOTE]

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