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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6243810" data-attributes="member: 67338">wow after arguments about the forge, and Dr who, and swashbucklers and creative spells and rail roads and length of combats... we can come back to the orginal point of the thread...see that's the rub... it's like when my mother says &quot;You didn't do anything today&quot; and I say &quot;I shoveled, did the dishes, and took out the garbage&quot; then she comes back with &quot;That doesn't count those are all things you are supposed to do&quot;&nbsp; in that case &quot;If you say nothing I did counts, then I did nothing&quot;in this case &quot;People who claim to have these problems don't count, and once you take that away no one claims to have these problems...&quot;it's a variant on the 'No true Scotsman'lets pretend there are 100 groups of roleplayers in the world playing D&amp;D... if 45 of them have seen the class balance issue, and 20 of them talk about it and 25 don't, and 30 of them house rule it way and 15 don't, then one of the 55 groups comes on and say &quot;I never had that issue&quot; can one of those 55 tell those 20 talking about it that it isn't real?lets try a different problems... lets say 100 people bought a new TV, and 45 of them found that the cable wires don't all work the same, some of them adjust it or only use some, so it works out ok, the 55 people who didn't notice the problem don't say &quot;Hey your liying&quot; do they? and if they recall the TVs and give you ones that don't have the problem you don't complain... weather you noticed it or not...if 100 people eat at a new restaurant and 45 got sick, but only 20 talked about it would the other 55 say they are wrong or it isn't a real problem? Would the 55 get mad if the reasturant said &quot;We changed our food so no one will get sick again&quot; and start saying &quot;But I liked the taste of the food when you got sick&quot;?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6243810, member: 67338"] wow after arguments about the forge, and Dr who, and swashbucklers and creative spells and rail roads and length of combats... we can come back to the orginal point of the thread... see that's the rub... it's like when my mother says "You didn't do anything today" and I say "I shoveled, did the dishes, and took out the garbage" then she comes back with "That doesn't count those are all things you are supposed to do" in that case "If you say nothing I did counts, then I did nothing" in this case "People who claim to have these problems don't count, and once you take that away no one claims to have these problems..." it's a variant on the 'No true Scotsman' lets pretend there are 100 groups of roleplayers in the world playing D&D... if 45 of them have seen the class balance issue, and 20 of them talk about it and 25 don't, and 30 of them house rule it way and 15 don't, then one of the 55 groups comes on and say "I never had that issue" can one of those 55 tell those 20 talking about it that it isn't real? lets try a different problems... lets say 100 people bought a new TV, and 45 of them found that the cable wires don't all work the same, some of them adjust it or only use some, so it works out ok, the 55 people who didn't notice the problem don't say "Hey your liying" do they? and if they recall the TVs and give you ones that don't have the problem you don't complain... weather you noticed it or not... if 100 people eat at a new restaurant and 45 got sick, but only 20 talked about it would the other 55 say they are wrong or it isn't a real problem? Would the 55 get mad if the reasturant said "We changed our food so no one will get sick again" and start saying "But I liked the taste of the food when you got sick"? [/QUOTE]

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