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<blockquote data-quote="XunValdorl_of_Kilsek" data-source="post: 6244054" data-attributes="member: 6762534">Contribution is purely subjective. The problem here is apparently what the other person sees as contributing. I may be entirely fine with my contributions to the game, but someone else may not be happy with my contributions and that's not right. You worry about your character and I will worry about mine. I think too many people are getting caught up in DPR and how quickly they can get through combat and on to the next one. Also, every fighter I have ever gamed with or played in 3rd edition did just fine in combat. Tell me one fighter that did absolutely nothing during combat because they weren't able. If they didn't bring a bow to a flying game then that's their problem, but I have never seen a fighter that had trouble hitting any AC from all the Monster Manuals. I think the problem here is people expected the fighter to always be king of DPR, just like somehow every creature fails their saves or the Wizard just happens to have the right spell at every turn. When you actually play these games enough, you will see that the majority of these cases are corner cases and I don't want a future game designed around would could possibly happen or may sometimes happen. It's also amazing how the DM just seems to disappear from the table when all this broken stuff is supposedly going on.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="XunValdorl_of_Kilsek, post: 6244054, member: 6762534"] Contribution is purely subjective. The problem here is apparently what the other person sees as contributing. I may be entirely fine with my contributions to the game, but someone else may not be happy with my contributions and that's not right. You worry about your character and I will worry about mine. I think too many people are getting caught up in DPR and how quickly they can get through combat and on to the next one. Also, every fighter I have ever gamed with or played in 3rd edition did just fine in combat. Tell me one fighter that did absolutely nothing during combat because they weren't able. If they didn't bring a bow to a flying game then that's their problem, but I have never seen a fighter that had trouble hitting any AC from all the Monster Manuals. I think the problem here is people expected the fighter to always be king of DPR, just like somehow every creature fails their saves or the Wizard just happens to have the right spell at every turn. When you actually play these games enough, you will see that the majority of these cases are corner cases and I don't want a future game designed around would could possibly happen or may sometimes happen. It's also amazing how the DM just seems to disappear from the table when all this broken stuff is supposedly going on. [/QUOTE]

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