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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6244701" data-attributes="member: 67338">no games without classes and levels do that way better...&nbsp;&nbsp; in my Owod game we are playing my character has a 2 dex, 2 str and 2 stamina (1-5 rating) and 0 brawl 0 melee and 0 firarms when I say I have no combat I mean it is almost impossible for me to hit anyone with anything... another player is playing a gunslinger with dex 5 and firearms 4 (specilazed in pistol) [sblock=if you don't know WoD]that means if we were both shooting at a non moving target I would roll 2d10 and if either came up an 7 or higher it would be a success, and if I roll a 10 I can add another d10 to the roll. He would roll 9d10 and any 7's would be a success and any 9's or 10's would not only be a success but her would add another d10.&nbsp; If you want to hit another combatant they get to dodge you and that dodge success subtracts from yours...[/sblock]yes, because some people claim pathfinder is SOOO much more successful, but no proof there at all... in fact WotC is making money well not publishing any new books, well Pathfinder puts out more and more to keep surviving... and needs a kickstarter (for small underfunded projects) just to expland into video games well D&amp;D makes enough to just do it themselves... &nbsp;there is a grain of truth in this edtion waring... people want BOTH balance AND freedom AND distction of character... 4e may have swung too far one way, but there is a big difference between &quot;Lets keep the balance and make it more fun&quot; and &quot;Screw balance no one cares.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6244701, member: 67338"] no games without classes and levels do that way better... in my Owod game we are playing my character has a 2 dex, 2 str and 2 stamina (1-5 rating) and 0 brawl 0 melee and 0 firarms when I say I have no combat I mean it is almost impossible for me to hit anyone with anything... another player is playing a gunslinger with dex 5 and firearms 4 (specilazed in pistol) [sblock=if you don't know WoD]that means if we were both shooting at a non moving target I would roll 2d10 and if either came up an 7 or higher it would be a success, and if I roll a 10 I can add another d10 to the roll. He would roll 9d10 and any 7's would be a success and any 9's or 10's would not only be a success but her would add another d10. If you want to hit another combatant they get to dodge you and that dodge success subtracts from yours...[/sblock] yes, because some people claim pathfinder is SOOO much more successful, but no proof there at all... in fact WotC is making money well not publishing any new books, well Pathfinder puts out more and more to keep surviving... and needs a kickstarter (for small underfunded projects) just to expland into video games well D&D makes enough to just do it themselves... there is a grain of truth in this edtion waring... people want BOTH balance AND freedom AND distction of character... 4e may have swung too far one way, but there is a big difference between "Lets keep the balance and make it more fun" and "Screw balance no one cares." [/QUOTE]

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