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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6245000" data-attributes="member: 67338">lots of PCs keep doing dungeon crawls into the epic levels... However I agree the game should have moved on by then...It could have been the end boss of the dungeon, or just the next bad guy, either way the caster could rule the fight... if you are going to wait for someone to finish the fight odds are the cleric is better at combat at that point... the fighter is just there to carry stuff/ or quaking in his boots that at some point to challenge the casters you will pull out some huge thing that he can't touch...the problem is that the book presents like that is an option... just scale the numbers but you are quite correct it doesn't work. Just lets look at a dragon...a red dragon with 660hp and an AC of 41 and a touch attack of 2. he has spell resstance 32  CR 26so lets take a level 16 wizard and a level 20 fighter...fighter has 28 str and has a +5 weapon and weapon focus and spec... he then has +36/+31/+26/+21 to hit... he has power attack so lets run some numbersno PA needs a 5, needs 10, needs 15 needs 20-5 PA needs a 10, needs a 15 needs a 20 needs a 20-10 PA needs a 15 needs a 20x3so Power attacking at more then 5 is dumb...He has a d12 2 handed weapon... and 2d6 extra non fire damage...with no power attack he most likely hits twice, with power attack most likely only once but lets make him lucky... say he hits twice with power attack.he deals 1d12+2d6+32 both times... lets give hima lucky roll of 18 on the dice both times... (mostly because I am lazy and it's an easy number) 50hp per hit and 100 over the round, that is practicly a best case scenero...with a 32 SR the wizard needs a 16 to get past it... unless he has spell penetration,then he needs a 12... he can touch attack anything except a nat 1...</blockquote>

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