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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 6246302" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>i don't need them or use them myself. My point is, it isnt going to hurt me to include optional rules to accomodate folks who might want that. It is also helpful because it makes things less muddled. Right now both sides are vying for inclusion or exclusion of these things, and i think it is at times leading to murkiness, where you have bits of them in the game but not a lot it is unclear why they are there I think it is better to isolate them, make them optional, and explain what playstyle they serve. It took me a few years of encountering these things here and there to understand why they bothered me (and countless debates at the table as i was slowly getting a handle on what they were). A single paragraph explaining what they are, and some pages of optional material, would have saved me osme headaches and clarified what it was i was running into. I don't know. It is just a thought. I am not committed to to it 100%. But interested in finding a way to discuss this where it isn't seen as a zero sum game and we are not at each other's throats because we like to play the game (a game we all share a passion for) differently.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 6246302, member: 85555"] i don't need them or use them myself. My point is, it isnt going to hurt me to include optional rules to accomodate folks who might want that. It is also helpful because it makes things less muddled. Right now both sides are vying for inclusion or exclusion of these things, and i think it is at times leading to murkiness, where you have bits of them in the game but not a lot it is unclear why they are there I think it is better to isolate them, make them optional, and explain what playstyle they serve. It took me a few years of encountering these things here and there to understand why they bothered me (and countless debates at the table as i was slowly getting a handle on what they were). A single paragraph explaining what they are, and some pages of optional material, would have saved me osme headaches and clarified what it was i was running into. I don't know. It is just a thought. I am not committed to to it 100%. But interested in finding a way to discuss this where it isn't seen as a zero sum game and we are not at each other's throats because we like to play the game (a game we all share a passion for) differently. [/QUOTE]

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