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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6247583" data-attributes="member: 42582">Well, this thread tends to be conflating &quot;narrative&quot; and &quot;metagame&quot;.I think hp are obviously metagame: a character can't know that s/he can never die from falling down a 20' pit, or falling from his/her horse, or being shot at close range by an archer, but his/her player can know those things, and in typical D&amp;D play will make decisions drawing upon that knowledge.There are some players who don't agree - they think something like (i) hp are meat, (ii) injury typically consists in the shaving off of meat, and (iii) a person in the fiction always knows how much meat s/he has left. I personally find this very hard to swallow, but then I was one of those who quit AD&amp;D for Rolemaster, with its different injury system being a major draw.Are hp also narrative? Because I don't have a good handle on &quot;narrative&quot; as opposed to &quot;metagame&quot; I'll leave that for others to judge.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6247583, member: 42582"] Well, this thread tends to be conflating "narrative" and "metagame". I think hp are obviously metagame: a character can't know that s/he can never die from falling down a 20' pit, or falling from his/her horse, or being shot at close range by an archer, but his/her player [I]can[/I] know those things, and in typical D&D play will make decisions drawing upon that knowledge. There are some players who don't agree - they think something like (i) hp are meat, (ii) injury typically consists in the shaving off of meat, and (iii) a person in the fiction always knows how much meat s/he has left. I personally find this very hard to swallow, but then I was one of those who quit AD&D for Rolemaster, with its different injury system being a major draw. Are hp also narrative? Because I don't have a good handle on "narrative" as opposed to "metagame" I'll leave that for others to judge. [/QUOTE]

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