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Why the Druid Metal Restriction is Poorly Implemented
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<blockquote data-quote="Psyzhran2357" data-source="post: 7623889" data-attributes="member: 6976889"><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">matsif</span></span>Yesterday at 11:19 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">the metal stuff for druids should be ignored. the celts were great bronze workers and the druid is mostly based on them, the whole "no metal" thing is silly at best.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Christ Avellone</span></span>Yesterday at 11:20 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">the celts <em>invented chainmail</em></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">eerongal</span></span>Yesterday at 11:20 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">pfft, as if i'd allow historical accuracy to taint my D&D game</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Numbug</span></span>Yesterday at 11:20 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">And who said metal is unnatural?</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Red Rick Dias</span></span>Yesterday at 11:21 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">The celts didn't invent chainmail, your momma did! The celts is THE DEVIL!</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Hmm... would this make Bobby Boucher a Cleric of Momma until he class-changes into a Paladin of Vengeance later on?</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">matsif</span></span>Yesterday at 11:22 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">the whole idea of "but no metal" when they are proficient in scimitars is a bit hypocritical to me as well if you ignore the "historical accuracy" things</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Numbug</span></span>Yesterday at 11:22 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">When looking at the d&d Druid you should definitely be thinking about it in terms of modern druidity, which is a lot more explicit about the whole nature thing</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">and even then, metal is a natural thing :U</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Constructman</span></span>Yesterday at 11:22 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Like Neopagan stuff?</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Numbug</span></span>Yesterday at 11:22 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">So in terms of realism, it's a completely arbitrary restriction</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">matsif</span></span>Yesterday at 11:23 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">especially when folks end up doing things like "well here's ironwood that does the same thing as metal for the sake of armor but isn't metal so you can actually have an AC"</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Red</span></span>Yesterday at 11:23 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">"modern druidity"</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Red Rick Dias</span></span>Yesterday at 11:23 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">I remember an old WOTC mini, the Greenfang Druid.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Which wore wood all over, but had a metal scimitar in hand.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">eerongal</span></span>Yesterday at 11:23 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">i think its more the idea of metal working being "unnatural" than metal itself being "unnatural"</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Numbug</span></span>Yesterday at 11:23 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">It got revived</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">I think it's niche?</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">But yeah</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">eerongal</span></span>Yesterday at 11:23 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">though, doesnt apply to weapons for whatever reason</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Constructman</span></span>Yesterday at 11:24 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Wicca I've heard of</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">as well as general Neopaganism</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">modern Druidism escaped my notice though</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">eerongal</span></span>Yesterday at 11:25 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">in AD&D, the reason for not wearing metal armor was because it basically "cut them off" from their magic</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">like a barrier to it</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">in 5e, its basically a flavor hold over</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Constructman</span></span>Yesterday at 11:27 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Meanwhile, Spore Druids are crying because unless you're a Warforged or a Tortle or a Loxodon, your AC is <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />, so you'll get chewed up if you go into melee, but you need to go into melee to use your subclass features, and blargh...</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">matsif</span></span>Yesterday at 11:27 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">yeah and paladins and bards and monks and druids used to have alignment restrictions from "flavor holdover." it's generally a nonsensical flavor limitation that people believe is a requirement because of where it is placed in the PHB that should be removed.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Constructman</span></span>Yesterday at 11:28 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">It would work so much better if it was in the class introductory prelude</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">or better yet, in a grey sidebar</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">but not in the proficiencies list ffs</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">matsif</span></span>Yesterday at 11:29 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">druid already has a perfect spot for it</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">"sacred woods and plants"</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">greenbox aside</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">but instead it's part of proficiencies so people take it as direct RAW, and then someone wants to play a druid that actually uses that medium armor proficiency and the DM ends up making "ironwood" or [insert carapace or chitin or other material] half plate so that the druid can circumvent that, at which point why even have the restriction</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">eerongal</span></span>Yesterday at 11:31 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">i mean, its been clearly stated by WotC that druids explode if they put on metal armor(edited)</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Constructman</span></span>Yesterday at 11:32 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">They deal 15d8 thunder damage when they explode</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">in a 30 foot radius</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Praxis</span></span>Yesterday at 11:32 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">I feel like 5e has a bunch of things like that - restrictions or rules that exist for flavour but are placed in a way that sometimes give the impression they exist for balance reasons</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">matsif</span></span>Yesterday at 11:35 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">people take the racial limitations on the SCAG subclasses that have them as direct RAW even though it says right in the limitation that the DM can ignore it</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Praxis</span></span>Yesterday at 11:37 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">same with backgrounds - they're very customizable RAW but plenty of people see an enumerated list and assume it's meant to cover all the available options</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Christ Avellone</span></span>Yesterday at 11:40 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">I'd fix it by restricting druids to light armor (and maybe hide) but give them an armor bonus for wearing armor made out of animal or plant material</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">eerongal</span></span>Yesterday at 11:40 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">that's actually a pretty good idea</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">give like a +2 AC for wearing armors made of cloth/leather/animal/plant stuffs</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">it helps encourage wearing "natural" armors</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">matsif</span></span>Yesterday at 11:41 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">I just don't see the point of having the restriction to begin with if you're going to allow them to use metal in their weapons still</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">eerongal</span></span>Yesterday at 11:41 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">or maybe even make it like an "unarmored defense" type thing</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Christ Avellone</span></span>Yesterday at 11:42 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">because metal doesn't touch their body</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">matsif</span></span>Yesterday at 11:42 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">if the culture is forging metal weapons then you're making a lot of logical jumps to think no one in the druid's culture would attempt to make metal armor</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Constructman</span></span>Yesterday at 11:42 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Might be a sympathetic magic thing</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">eerongal</span></span>Yesterday at 11:42 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">something like "when wearing armor made of plant/animal material you can instead use 10 + dex + wis for your AC"</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Constructman</span></span>Yesterday at 11:42 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">like a crescent is a holy symbol</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Christ Avellone</span></span>Yesterday at 11:42 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">nah that'd give them the highest AC ever</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">morikahn</span></span>Yesterday at 11:43 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">i think the restirction on druids using metal equipment is less about the material and its ties to civilization</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Constructman</span></span>Yesterday at 11:43 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">or it might be a feng shui thing, except on your body...???</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">but again</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Christ Avellone</span></span>Yesterday at 11:43 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">they'd have like 25 AC with a shield</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Constructman</span></span>Yesterday at 11:43 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">that requires ACTUALLY EXPLAINING IT(edited)</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">morikahn</span></span>Yesterday at 11:43 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">worked metal is a sign of an advanced civilization</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Christ Avellone</span></span>Yesterday at 11:43 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Anyway the reason druids can use metal weapons is because they need to be able to harvest sacred herbs for their rituals</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Constructman</span></span>Yesterday at 11:43 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Stone knife: am I a joke to you?</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">Christ Avellone</span></span>Yesterday at 11:43 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">that's why they have scimitar proficiency: in 1e there was no "sickle" weapon and the scimitar was the closest to a druidic sickle</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">you try harvesting with a stone knife</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">you're more likely to crush your crop than slice it</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'">[HR][/HR]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">matsif</span></span>Yesterday at 11:44 AM</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit">I guess obsidian isn't real</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Whitney'"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Psyzhran2357, post: 7623889, member: 6976889"] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]matsif[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:19 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]the metal stuff for druids should be ignored. the celts were great bronze workers and the druid is mostly based on them, the whole "no metal" thing is silly at best.[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Christ Avellone[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:20 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]the celts [I]invented chainmail[/I][/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]eerongal[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:20 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]pfft, as if i'd allow historical accuracy to taint my D&D game[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Numbug[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:20 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]And who said metal is unnatural?[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Red Rick Dias[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:21 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]The celts didn't invent chainmail, your momma did! The celts is THE DEVIL![/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Hmm... would this make Bobby Boucher a Cleric of Momma until he class-changes into a Paladin of Vengeance later on?[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]matsif[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:22 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]the whole idea of "but no metal" when they are proficient in scimitars is a bit hypocritical to me as well if you ignore the "historical accuracy" things[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Numbug[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:22 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]When looking at the d&d Druid you should definitely be thinking about it in terms of modern druidity, which is a lot more explicit about the whole nature thing[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]and even then, metal is a natural thing :U[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Constructman[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:22 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Like Neopagan stuff?[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Numbug[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:22 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]So in terms of realism, it's a completely arbitrary restriction[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]matsif[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:23 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]especially when folks end up doing things like "well here's ironwood that does the same thing as metal for the sake of armor but isn't metal so you can actually have an AC"[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Red[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:23 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]"modern druidity"[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Red Rick Dias[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:23 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]I remember an old WOTC mini, the Greenfang Druid.[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Which wore wood all over, but had a metal scimitar in hand.[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]eerongal[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:23 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]i think its more the idea of metal working being "unnatural" than metal itself being "unnatural"[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Numbug[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:23 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]It got revived[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]I think it's niche?[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]But yeah[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]eerongal[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:23 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]though, doesnt apply to weapons for whatever reason[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Constructman[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:24 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Wicca I've heard of[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]as well as general Neopaganism[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]modern Druidism escaped my notice though[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]eerongal[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:25 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]in AD&D, the reason for not wearing metal armor was because it basically "cut them off" from their magic[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]like a barrier to it[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]in 5e, its basically a flavor hold over[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Constructman[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:27 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Meanwhile, Spore Druids are crying because unless you're a Warforged or a Tortle or a Loxodon, your AC is :):):):), so you'll get chewed up if you go into melee, but you need to go into melee to use your subclass features, and blargh...[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]matsif[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:27 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]yeah and paladins and bards and monks and druids used to have alignment restrictions from "flavor holdover." it's generally a nonsensical flavor limitation that people believe is a requirement because of where it is placed in the PHB that should be removed.[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Constructman[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:28 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]It would work so much better if it was in the class introductory prelude[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]or better yet, in a grey sidebar[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]but not in the proficiencies list ffs[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]matsif[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:29 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]druid already has a perfect spot for it[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]"sacred woods and plants"[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]greenbox aside[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]but instead it's part of proficiencies so people take it as direct RAW, and then someone wants to play a druid that actually uses that medium armor proficiency and the DM ends up making "ironwood" or [insert carapace or chitin or other material] half plate so that the druid can circumvent that, at which point why even have the restriction[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]eerongal[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:31 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]i mean, its been clearly stated by WotC that druids explode if they put on metal armor(edited)[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][/FONT][/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Constructman[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:32 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]They deal 15d8 thunder damage when they explode[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]in a 30 foot radius[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Praxis[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:32 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]I feel like 5e has a bunch of things like that - restrictions or rules that exist for flavour but are placed in a way that sometimes give the impression they exist for balance reasons[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]matsif[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:35 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]people take the racial limitations on the SCAG subclasses that have them as direct RAW even though it says right in the limitation that the DM can ignore it[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Praxis[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:37 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]same with backgrounds - they're very customizable RAW but plenty of people see an enumerated list and assume it's meant to cover all the available options[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Christ Avellone[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:40 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]I'd fix it by restricting druids to light armor (and maybe hide) but give them an armor bonus for wearing armor made out of animal or plant material[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]eerongal[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:40 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]that's actually a pretty good idea[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]give like a +2 AC for wearing armors made of cloth/leather/animal/plant stuffs[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]it helps encourage wearing "natural" armors[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]matsif[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:41 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]I just don't see the point of having the restriction to begin with if you're going to allow them to use metal in their weapons still[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]eerongal[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:41 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]or maybe even make it like an "unarmored defense" type thing[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Christ Avellone[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:42 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]because metal doesn't touch their body[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]matsif[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:42 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]if the culture is forging metal weapons then you're making a lot of logical jumps to think no one in the druid's culture would attempt to make metal armor[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Constructman[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:42 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Might be a sympathetic magic thing[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]eerongal[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:42 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]something like "when wearing armor made of plant/animal material you can instead use 10 + dex + wis for your AC"[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Constructman[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:42 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]like a crescent is a holy symbol[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Christ Avellone[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:42 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]nah that'd give them the highest AC ever[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]morikahn[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:43 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]i think the restirction on druids using metal equipment is less about the material and its ties to civilization[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Constructman[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:43 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]or it might be a feng shui thing, except on your body...???[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]but again[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Christ Avellone[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:43 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]they'd have like 25 AC with a shield[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Constructman[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:43 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]that requires ACTUALLY EXPLAINING IT(edited)[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]morikahn[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:43 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]worked metal is a sign of an advanced civilization[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Christ Avellone[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:43 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Anyway the reason druids can use metal weapons is because they need to be able to harvest sacred herbs for their rituals[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Constructman[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:43 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Stone knife: am I a joke to you?[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]Christ Avellone[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:43 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]that's why they have scimitar proficiency: in 1e there was no "sickle" weapon and the scimitar was the closest to a druidic sickle[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]you try harvesting with a stone knife[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]you're more likely to crush your crop than slice it[/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [HR][/HR][/FONT] [FONT=Whitney][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][B][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]matsif[/FONT][/FONT]Yesterday at 11:44 AM[/B] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]I guess obsidian isn't real [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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