Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Why the Druid Metal Restriction is Poorly Implemented
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7626549" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>All of that is just repeating the same one line over and over and over. Druid's can't wear metal armor. Repeating something doesn't make it more true. Once you boil it down, there is one line that says, "Druid's can't wear metal armor." and one line that says, "Metal armor spoils their magical powers." The druid section gives a restriction, and then the consequences of breaking that restriction. The absolute language used is hardly unique to druids and is also used with other classes and things that also have consequences for breaking the restriction. If you are going to treat the absolute language in the druid section as invalidating the consequences given for breaking that restriction, you have to do it for all of the classes. </p><p></p><p>This is what 1e says about the various classes.</p><p></p><p>Paladins: "paladins must begin as lawful good in alignment (q.v.) and always remain lawful good." Absolute language that if you are correct about druids, also applies to paladins and makes the consequences for violating the restriction impossible.</p><p></p><p>Monks: "Therefore they must always be lawful in alignment." Absolute language that if you are correct about druids, also applies to paladins and makes the consequences for violating the restriction impossible.</p><p></p><p>Druids: "druids are unable to use any armor or shields." Absolute language that if you are correct makes the consequences for violating the restriction impossible.</p><p></p><p>Gygax is huge on making restrictions(and not just with classes) and then allowing PCs to break them and suffer the consequences. That's how he wrote the edition. He was huge on consequences, not absolute no's. The druid is no exception to that.</p><p></p><p>Not only is the a player whose PC has his druid put on metal armor not being disruptive or violating the social contract, but he's actively engaging in the Gygaxian way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7626549, member: 23751"] All of that is just repeating the same one line over and over and over. Druid's can't wear metal armor. Repeating something doesn't make it more true. Once you boil it down, there is one line that says, "Druid's can't wear metal armor." and one line that says, "Metal armor spoils their magical powers." The druid section gives a restriction, and then the consequences of breaking that restriction. The absolute language used is hardly unique to druids and is also used with other classes and things that also have consequences for breaking the restriction. If you are going to treat the absolute language in the druid section as invalidating the consequences given for breaking that restriction, you have to do it for all of the classes. This is what 1e says about the various classes. Paladins: "paladins must begin as lawful good in alignment (q.v.) and always remain lawful good." Absolute language that if you are correct about druids, also applies to paladins and makes the consequences for violating the restriction impossible. Monks: "Therefore they must always be lawful in alignment." Absolute language that if you are correct about druids, also applies to paladins and makes the consequences for violating the restriction impossible. Druids: "druids are unable to use any armor or shields." Absolute language that if you are correct makes the consequences for violating the restriction impossible. Gygax is huge on making restrictions(and not just with classes) and then allowing PCs to break them and suffer the consequences. That's how he wrote the edition. He was huge on consequences, not absolute no's. The druid is no exception to that. Not only is the a player whose PC has his druid put on metal armor not being disruptive or violating the social contract, but he's actively engaging in the Gygaxian way. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Why the Druid Metal Restriction is Poorly Implemented
Top