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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jollyninja" data-source="post: 261429" data-attributes="member: 3208">i liked the magic (casters and a few of the items) and the monsters. nice before nasty as my mother allways said. now for the ranting and the yelling and the hey hey.if you are not a caster, this book screws you. fighters lose their major class feature. ask any gamer what defines a fighter and they will tell you he excells at combat above others. other then more and better (arguably) feats, the fighter is reduced to what he was in 2e, the paladin's useless counterpart. even an epic ranger is more worthwhile. really if you are going to level out the attack bonus playing feild and not throw the fighter some other bone, how can you not call it screwing him? the ranger gets almost as many bonus feats as the fighter. WTF. there is nothing in this book (other then the previously mentioned sections that i did actually like) i could not come up with on my way down from a 3 day meth party. the startling lack of original class abilities (other then some of the epic feats) really irritates me. i guess what i wanted was an increase in power for all not just most. terms like balance and rules integrity were thrown around as the reasons for 3e being created. why not just say "hasbro wants more money, that's why we keep shoving tripe in front of you. now shut up and eat."if i taught my 13 year old neice how to play, ran a couple of sessions and asked her to come up rules for what happens after level 20, this is what i'd expect from her. except that she would not mess with the attack progresion. or if she did she would probably realise that the warrior types all need some sort of compensation (she is really intelligent for her age though she smokes and that worries me) not all warrior types except the fighter. does the dragon's attack bonus progression stop progressing normally after 20 hd? NO, why should my fighters? he worked much harder to get his 21st HD then the dragon. because you said so? not good enough.i am sick of buying products from WotC and using 1/4 of the book. the splatbooks had weak attempts at fluff, trying to be more then they were: a nice package for some of the new features of 3e, feats and prestige classes. this meant that unless you were running greyhawk, 1/3 of the books contents had direct as is use for you. i use the names from the name section from the hero builder's guidebook to name unimportant residents of towns. other then that it sits collecting dust. song and silence has not left my shelf since i gave it a second read just to see if it was as bad as i remembered. by bad i mean that it did not give me what i wanted, it's balanced fine, i have little objection to the contents i just hate them for their unoriginality and uselessness. various persons within WotC had previously stated as advice to those creating prestige classes "if it could easily be done within the core classes, it does not need to be a prestige class" or similar sentiments. then they give us crap like the tempest and the dungeon delver. hypocracy is the one thing that i will not tolerate. the most inspired stuff i've seen from them is when they have worked with existing stuff. Wheel of time was a great stand alone book that more or less captures Jordans concepts (i'm not saying that's good or bad unto itself) and ideas as well as is possible within a set of coherant balanced rules. star wars gave us wound and vitality, CoC apparently has an interesting magic system (have not read it yet), i loved the entire oriental adventures book as a campaign setting though i will probably never play rogukan. d20 modern will probably suck because it's not a liscense. if it was rainbow 6 d20 i might buy it. Silver Marches is possibly the last book i will ever buy from wizards. if there is even one prestige class that is even slightly generic, (some kind of knightly order that exists in the area would not be generic. swamp lord would be) i will be done with WotC forever and the bean counters can do without my beans for eternity. lords of darkness did not sell well because alot of the info within had been covered in 2e and in much more depth. hmm which will i use, my cult of the dragon 2e book or the 3e 1.5 page blurb they got on LoD? lack of new info killed that book's sales, not lack of prestige classes and feats.at least dragonlance is going to a company that cares what it's customers want. at least i hope they don't try to win over the whole gaming crowd and in the process drive me completley out of the hobby. as a customer anyway.</blockquote>

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