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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 3190552" data-attributes="member: 19675">I've never used the spell as a player or DM, in any incarnation of the game.My personal take on the spell is its not so bad for the full spellcasters, but everyone else had best duck &amp; cover...and use loaded dice! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Don't get me wrong- I understand the desire to have this kind of spell out there.&nbsp; I'm just not sure there is a way to have it be cast on a party and have a fun evening with the probable end results.&nbsp; I'm also not sure there's a good tweek for it.Whoever it was who said its an Epic spell in disguise had the right of it.The warrior archetype in 3.X is extremely gear dependent- nothing new there. This one spell could change a challenging encounter to a near TPK.If, however, there were intrinsic ways warriors and other gear-dependent combatants could overcome DR and similar defenses, there wouldn't be as much of an issue.&nbsp; For example, if there were a Feat Tree that allowed the user to overcome DR, the loss of that +4 magic weapon wouldn't be as problematic.&nbsp; Sure, the warrior won't be able to hit as often as he could before the spell, but he won't be virtually powerless to control his fate.Grapple &amp; other special maneuvers?&nbsp; Have fun doing that against a spellslinging dragon, or a demon summoning his kin...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 3190552, member: 19675"] I've never used the spell as a player or DM, in any incarnation of the game. My personal take on the spell is its not so bad for the full spellcasters, but everyone else had best duck & cover...and use loaded dice! ;) Don't get me wrong- I understand the desire to have this kind of spell out there. I'm just not sure there is a way to have it be cast on a party and have a fun evening with the probable end results. I'm also not sure there's a good tweek for it. Whoever it was who said its an Epic spell in disguise had the right of it. The warrior archetype in 3.X is extremely gear dependent- nothing new there. This one spell could change a challenging encounter to a near TPK. If, however, there were intrinsic ways warriors and other gear-dependent combatants could overcome DR and similar defenses, there wouldn't be as much of an issue. For example, if there were a Feat Tree that allowed the user to overcome DR, the loss of that +4 magic weapon wouldn't be as problematic. Sure, the warrior won't be able to hit as often as he could before the spell, but he won't be virtually powerless to control his fate. Grapple & other special maneuvers? Have fun doing that against a spellslinging dragon, or a demon summoning his kin... [/QUOTE]

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