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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 3200431" data-attributes="member: 31734">I quite think that the number of targets, effects, items, bonuses to rolls, etc. all are numerical.  How are they not numerical?  It may not be entirely numerical, but IMO certainly enough to form a judgment.  I'm not looking for a mathematical thesis, just your judgment.  There is no wrong answer.  I'm not looking to trap you in some answer, but I want to see if you can form a judgment on the relative power levels of spells (using some metric that you yourself can devise) and use that as a basis to determine brokenness.  Whether you write it all down or just form an opinion is up to you.For example, consider that MD (disjunction) strips all spell, I'll only compare the targeted versions.DM: one target, maximum +10, does not affect items if targeted on a creature, does not affect artifacts, suppresses an item for 1d4 roundsGDM: As DM, but maximum +20 and can remove cursesMD: all items and effects within a 40ft radius burst, magic items get a will save or be rendered normal, no dispel check necessary against all other effects, AMF may be brought down (and then everything within it disjoined), may destroy artifacts (albeit with a potential negative consequence), does not affect personal items/effects so you can drop this spell around yourself without consequenceThe bonus on GDM is useful, to be sure, but it's even less than other similar caster level-bonus spells (e.g. mass cure light wounds, 5th level is +25).  The fact that it also removes curses is useful, however, and might warrant the 6th level.  Overall, I'd say GDM is weak for 6th-level, but maybe not too weak.  I'd judge the curve at this point to be linear at best.MD, however, is worlds above GDM from what GDM is above DM.  The changes are nearly incalculable.  How many creature can fit within the area, if not just trying to fill it up, but normally?  I'd say most of the time it will be every possible opponent.  There's no chance of failure on all effects, either.  The fact that it's no longer even Target negates certain other chances to avoid it's fate.  It's extra abilities make it even stronger.  I judge it to be unbelievably powerful for a 9th level spell.  It should be epic, and I would say that even if you strike the parts about artifacts.Otoh, it's a burst and therefore does not affect anything with total cover.  So, items stored in your backpack or wherever the DM deems has total cover will not be affected.   Note that since it's not a Reflex save, normal cover doesn't help.</blockquote>

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