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Message: <blockquote data-quote="payn" data-source="post: 9478689" data-attributes="member: 90374">What if the spirit is actually a target being knocked flat? I think sometimes it makes sense why something is immune to a particular ability rule. If the entire identity/ability of a character is "knock things prone" and the character is invalidated by immunity, then the system isnt terribly robust for an RPG."Lenient bounds of reason" are going to vary exceedingly. Which is why I can envision players who will argue that their character's fire attack is so hot it can even kill a fire elemental, or that their trip ability is so good it can even trip snakes. Sort of a mental gymnastics to make sense of a character combat power that makes the game function. Now, on the flip side, I can also see GMs using immunity as a way to counter an ability that is too good/powerful. The GM is making the game function with a ruling thats not favorable to the player. Which ever rules/rulings or rulings/rules philosophy you ascribe to will inform your take on the above.I think there is too much of a gulf between does and doesn't belong under those skills. The player doesn't know where the guidelines are, and the GM doesn't know how to adjudicate an action made up on the fly. (Insert nobody reads the DMG here) This is particularly difficult since combat is entirely made up of guidelines and strictly written out abilities. The contrast is difficult to parse, so actions are declared in the strictest sense or just assumed not possible.This sort of flies in the face of #2 though. What is the point of chunky and open ended if the eventual destination is specific and concise? I think this adds to what I was saying, if gameplay hasnt demanded a ruling in a consistent need, then its ambiguous for both player and GM. That leads to a lot of anxiety about treading new territory. If the game was all open and chunky and the point was for the GM and player to narrow through exercise, you;d see it more. Though, the combat system being so precise and detailed makes for a game mode code switch that is confusing for a lot of folks.</blockquote>

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