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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9484415" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Credit <em>is not</em> cash. That was the whole point.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It absolutely is not some radically different thing. That's the whole point of my message here: there are many different routes to the same destination. Hell, just consider this, <em>from 5e itself</em>: "If you have the Sentinel feat, you can shove as a bonus action."</p><p></p><p>GUESS WHAT? There are also OTHER ways to shove as a bonus action! In the rules themselves!</p><p></p><p>Your position is literally contradicted by the rules as they exist--and best practices are, <em>and always have been</em>, that a responsive, attentive DM works with their players to try to realize what they wish to achieve. The rules act as extremely useful riffing points for that purpose, regardless of system. The example of the Actor feat shows what someone with extensive training and practice can do. If you don't have the Actor feat, you don't have that extensive training and practice--so you <em>might</em> be able to achieve something usable...or not, but either way you'll be taking a risk or expending a meaningful resource or otherwise doing something difficult, whereas having the feat would be sweet and simple etc.</p><p></p><p>And do you <em>really</em> think that, in a party where someone already has the Actor feat, someone else is going to say, "I'm going to try to fake someone's voice!"? Like, for real, is this ACTUALLY an issue, or is this a strawman invented to complain about a non-issue?</p><p></p><p></p><p>They.</p><p></p><p>Aren't.</p><p></p><p>Carved.</p><p></p><p>Out.</p><p></p><p>THAT IS THE POINT.</p><p></p><p>You keep doing this! You keep <em>assuming</em> that there is a carve-out. That's circular reasoning!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9484415, member: 6790260"] Credit [I]is not[/I] cash. That was the whole point. It absolutely is not some radically different thing. That's the whole point of my message here: there are many different routes to the same destination. Hell, just consider this, [I]from 5e itself[/I]: "If you have the Sentinel feat, you can shove as a bonus action." GUESS WHAT? There are also OTHER ways to shove as a bonus action! In the rules themselves! Your position is literally contradicted by the rules as they exist--and best practices are, [I]and always have been[/I], that a responsive, attentive DM works with their players to try to realize what they wish to achieve. The rules act as extremely useful riffing points for that purpose, regardless of system. The example of the Actor feat shows what someone with extensive training and practice can do. If you don't have the Actor feat, you don't have that extensive training and practice--so you [I]might[/I] be able to achieve something usable...or not, but either way you'll be taking a risk or expending a meaningful resource or otherwise doing something difficult, whereas having the feat would be sweet and simple etc. And do you [I]really[/I] think that, in a party where someone already has the Actor feat, someone else is going to say, "I'm going to try to fake someone's voice!"? Like, for real, is this ACTUALLY an issue, or is this a strawman invented to complain about a non-issue? They. Aren't. Carved. Out. THAT IS THE POINT. You keep doing this! You keep [I]assuming[/I] that there is a carve-out. That's circular reasoning! [/QUOTE]
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