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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LightPhoenix" data-source="post: 1576974" data-attributes="member: 115">First off, by the strict definition of the term, "cartoon" refers to any animated style, in a variety of mediums.   Also, the connotation of "cartoon" as childish is strictly a US cultural definition.  Anime is a form of cartoon that can be both childish and not.  In fact, even so in the US - you would be hard-pressed to find someone to argue that Doonesbury is childish... and in fact, the term came forth with the idea of political cartoons.  So saying that "cartoon=childish" is semantically, culturally, and historically flawed. I too would argue that in the instance of anime, television is the medium, cartoon is the... genre, for lack of a better term, anime is the style, and then there are various sub-categories within anime.  To provide more examples... "drama" is a genre, "one-hour" is a style, "crime drama" is a sub-category; "comedy" is a genre, "sit-com" is a style, "urban" is a sub-category; "fantasy" could be argued as a genre, in which case "sci-fi" might be a style, and "star trek" might be a sub-category. Do I particularly like anime?  No, I don't.  Am I so quick to write it off?  Of course not.  My dislike of anime comes from a general dislike of cartoons (as represented in the medium of television <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />) overall.  I'm much more fond of it in comics and especially movies.  More so than I dislike anime or cartoons in general, I like good stories.  And for the record, I fall squarely into the camp that feels Evangelion does not fall into the good-story category. No small part of my dislike is also the way that the "Japanophiles" act - while I know not all people who enjoy aspects of Japanese culture conform to the stereotypes, a good majority of them do.  Especially in the sense that they often seem to dismiss any other opinion than their own as "wrong" and any cartoons other than anime as "crap".  Not that some of the posters in this thread haven't done the same.   It's amusing though, as I type this up I can really understand why people can be less than fond of roleplaying... Anyway, I think a big part of the general dislike even among those that give or are willing to give it a try is two-fold.  The first problem is that generally what we get in the US is crap.  I'm sorry, but Cartoon Network is not the savior of anime in the US, given that the vast majority of what they show is (from what I've gathered) generally considered to be in that 90% crap-range.  The second problem is that the good stuff is generally difficult to get ahold of, if you don't know how to go about looking for it... especially fan-subs.  Compounded with this is the fact that it's hard to find the 10% that isn't crap without some help.</blockquote>

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