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<blockquote data-quote="Trainz" data-source="post: 1581948" data-attributes="member: 2122"><p>I don't <em>hate</em> the genre (anime), but I definitely despise the lazyness of the conception of many of them.</p><p> </p><p>Good (that I saw): Akira, Mononoke, GitS.</p><p> </p><p>Bad (that I saw): Escaflowne, Records of Lodoss War.</p><p> </p><p>The two above, I watched ALL episodes because a friend lend them to me.</p><p> </p><p>What I'm talking about is the frame per second flow. It is horrendous in many an anime. Just try it. For example, watch Escaflowne, and in a given scene, count the number of frames. Careful though: a static background with a slow moving (sliding) static foreground is really just two images drawn that are slowly being moved to create an illusion of movement.</p><p> </p><p>While quite an efficient animation technique, Anime overuses it. In one instance, a 30 seconds sample had about only 8 drawn panels. That's INCLUDING the characters.</p><p> </p><p>You draw a character's head with no mouth, then you draw an open mouth, then a closed mouth. Then you have the character give a 30 second dialogue by having the open mouth layer and closed mouth layer alternate, with the character's body being totally static. With background, that's about four images, two of which are very small.</p><p> </p><p>I'm sorry, but I just can't condone such an "art" form. It's a lazy "dust in the eyes" inneficient medium. It frustrates me.</p><p> </p><p>FYI, I have worked for one month as an "inker" for an animation (<em><a href="http://www.awn.com/oscars98/Lavieledame.html" target="_blank">The old lady and the Pigeons</a></em>). Got fed up and left, so you won't see my name in the credits. I inked about 100 layers, the total of which lasted about 15 seconds in the animation (we were 8 inkers, about as many drawers, and 3 background artists). To give you an idea...</p><p> </p><p>Heh... I just went to check the <a href="http://www.awn.com/oscars98/pigeon.mov" target="_blank">clip</a> in the link above, and the first time you see the cop, that's one of the sequences I inked ! I just also noticed that this movie won a lot of awards... maybe I should have stayed onboard dammit.</p><p> </p><p>All that said, I'm curious about Cowboy Beebop (have the soundtrack, love it). Is the FPS flow bad ? If not, I'll watch it.</p><p> </p><p>Another thing: the animation (live action) in Kill Bill 1 was <strong>astounding</strong>. I want to see more work by whoever did that (if it's as good), so any indication would be appreciated.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Trainz, post: 1581948, member: 2122"] I don't [i]hate[/i] the genre (anime), but I definitely despise the lazyness of the conception of many of them. Good (that I saw): Akira, Mononoke, GitS. Bad (that I saw): Escaflowne, Records of Lodoss War. The two above, I watched ALL episodes because a friend lend them to me. What I'm talking about is the frame per second flow. It is horrendous in many an anime. Just try it. For example, watch Escaflowne, and in a given scene, count the number of frames. Careful though: a static background with a slow moving (sliding) static foreground is really just two images drawn that are slowly being moved to create an illusion of movement. While quite an efficient animation technique, Anime overuses it. In one instance, a 30 seconds sample had about only 8 drawn panels. That's INCLUDING the characters. You draw a character's head with no mouth, then you draw an open mouth, then a closed mouth. Then you have the character give a 30 second dialogue by having the open mouth layer and closed mouth layer alternate, with the character's body being totally static. With background, that's about four images, two of which are very small. I'm sorry, but I just can't condone such an "art" form. It's a lazy "dust in the eyes" inneficient medium. It frustrates me. FYI, I have worked for one month as an "inker" for an animation ([i][url="http://www.awn.com/oscars98/Lavieledame.html"]The old lady and the Pigeons[/url][/i]). Got fed up and left, so you won't see my name in the credits. I inked about 100 layers, the total of which lasted about 15 seconds in the animation (we were 8 inkers, about as many drawers, and 3 background artists). To give you an idea... Heh... I just went to check the [url="http://www.awn.com/oscars98/pigeon.mov"]clip[/url] in the link above, and the first time you see the cop, that's one of the sequences I inked ! I just also noticed that this movie won a lot of awards... maybe I should have stayed onboard dammit. All that said, I'm curious about Cowboy Beebop (have the soundtrack, love it). Is the FPS flow bad ? If not, I'll watch it. Another thing: the animation (live action) in Kill Bill 1 was [b]astounding[/b]. I want to see more work by whoever did that (if it's as good), so any indication would be appreciated. [/QUOTE]
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