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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DungeonMaster" data-source="post: 1999401" data-attributes="member: 27431">Hrmm... before 3.5 I'de have to say I was nonchalant about the game system. I played all versions of D&D and enjoyed them. 3.5 really changed that. Partially the timing of the "new" edition but mostly because of the complete lack of design insight that went into it. You could try to screw up 3rd edition and D&D more than what 3.5 did but it would take effort. Darkness spells that aren't you know dark and actually light up rooms. Forbiddance spells that don't actually forbid you. Rings of wishes that allow you to wish for more rings of wishes. Blending of archetypes through PrC and making the druid some sort of wizard/cleric hybrid. The list goes on and on. I guess in some sense I thought the designers could never go wrong and as time progressed the D&D game would become more and more refined, adjusted and a better game. I really hadn't been dissapointed up until that point a year ago. I think that's why 3.5 gets so much hatred from me. I knew something was wrong when in a thread set up for that purpose I asked Andy Collins if he fixed the balance between the divine destruction spell and the arcane finger of death and he replied "they're both sorta bad". That made my stomach churn. I knew we were in for a surprise then. It didn't help that there were literally 3.5 edition zealots criticizing every little aspect of 3rd edition while tacitly ignoring the gaping holes in 3.5 - that stimulus probably led to my inveterate hatred of the game system being openly displayed in every second thread.</blockquote>

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