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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 1477546" data-attributes="member: 5100">The problem with the Paladin is that it is a fairly narrow archetype. Really, it's a magnification of the &quot;knight in shining armor&quot; schtick. I'd love to see Paladin turned into a 10 level PrC (the 15 level PrCs in UA only served to convince me that PrCs should never be more than 10 levels).&nbsp;The problem with the Barbarian is that in encroached on the Ranger's schtick (wilderness fighter). I'm not entirely sure why the Barbarian even exists, other than someone decided a bit of pandering to 1E UA fanboys might sell a few books. They could have upped the hit die on the 3E Ranger, gotten rid of the absurd TWF inherency, and made a few other tweaks to add a bit more continuity to the Ranger through the editions. That would have negated any place for the Barbarian and they wouldn't have had to shoe-horn the Ranger into a wilderninja. A raging &quot;Berserker&quot; could have been easily added as a core PrC.&nbsp;The Monk fills a role that no other class fills. Of course, a pseudo-asthetic, rididly disciplined, master of unarmed combat doesn't have a place in every setting. For those that it works in, it's fun, though.&nbsp;Edit:&nbsp; That said, though, I don't see that any of these classes restrict you mechanically any more than the others.&nbsp; Really, the only reason I can think for ditching the classes is for RP reasons.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 1477546, member: 5100"] The problem with the Paladin is that it is a fairly narrow archetype. Really, it's a magnification of the "knight in shining armor" schtick. I'd love to see Paladin turned into a 10 level PrC (the 15 level PrCs in UA only served to convince me that PrCs should never be more than 10 levels). The problem with the Barbarian is that in encroached on the Ranger's schtick (wilderness fighter). I'm not entirely sure why the Barbarian even exists, other than someone decided a bit of pandering to 1E UA fanboys might sell a few books. They could have upped the hit die on the 3E Ranger, gotten rid of the absurd TWF inherency, and made a few other tweaks to add a bit more continuity to the Ranger through the editions. That would have negated any place for the Barbarian and they wouldn't have had to shoe-horn the Ranger into a wilderninja. A raging "Berserker" could have been easily added as a core PrC. The Monk fills a role that no other class fills. Of course, a pseudo-asthetic, rididly disciplined, master of unarmed combat doesn't have a place in every setting. For those that it works in, it's fun, though. Edit: That said, though, I don't see that any of these classes restrict you mechanically any more than the others. Really, the only reason I can think for ditching the classes is for RP reasons. [/QUOTE]

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