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<blockquote data-quote="FourthBear" data-source="post: 4700664" data-attributes="member: 55846">Wish lists were specifically mentioned on page 125 of the 4e DMG.&nbsp; It should be noted that they are not proscribed as the necessary way of doing things, they are recommended as an easy and straightforward way of finding out the kind of magic items a player is interested in.&nbsp; I've read&nbsp; WotC adventures that have made the assumption that the reading DM has taken this advice as a default, however.The Treasure section of the 4e DMG does also recommend tailoring magic items found in adventuring to the group, even if wish lists aren't used.&nbsp; This is explicitly intended to increase the chances that finding a magic item that the players will be excited by, rather than putting in a pile to be sold or disenchanted.&nbsp; Like much of the 4e DMG, I think this is good advice for beginning DMs, who might not have the time, experience or inclination to simply look over the PCs and figure out what items would be most complementary.&nbsp; The wish list method recruits the players into figuring out the magic item lists, which I believe can be confusing in their size and variety.&nbsp; Does tailored treasure result in rather coincidental events?&nbsp; Certainly.&nbsp; However, I'd rather deal with that than having to have more frequent sessions around the selling, bartering and disenchanting of high level magic items that no player has an interest in.&nbsp; It may be more &quot;realistic&quot;, but I find it a time wasting nuisance.&nbsp; Unless you remove the ability to enchant, disenchant or purchase magic items, it's more often a speed bump until the players get what they actually wanted, a few levels later.&nbsp; I see wish lists less as a nefarious method to create spoiled players and more of a tool of convenience for the table.&nbsp; Much like how convenient items frequently show up in the fantasy story source material.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FourthBear, post: 4700664, member: 55846"] Wish lists were specifically mentioned on page 125 of the 4e DMG. It should be noted that they are not proscribed as the necessary way of doing things, they are recommended as an easy and straightforward way of finding out the kind of magic items a player is interested in. I've read WotC adventures that have made the assumption that the reading DM has taken this advice as a default, however. The Treasure section of the 4e DMG does also recommend tailoring magic items found in adventuring to the group, even if wish lists aren't used. This is explicitly intended to increase the chances that finding a magic item that the players will be excited by, rather than putting in a pile to be sold or disenchanted. Like much of the 4e DMG, I think this is good advice for beginning DMs, who might not have the time, experience or inclination to simply look over the PCs and figure out what items would be most complementary. The wish list method recruits the players into figuring out the magic item lists, which I believe can be confusing in their size and variety. Does tailored treasure result in rather coincidental events? Certainly. However, I'd rather deal with that than having to have more frequent sessions around the selling, bartering and disenchanting of high level magic items that no player has an interest in. It may be more "realistic", but I find it a time wasting nuisance. Unless you remove the ability to enchant, disenchant or purchase magic items, it's more often a speed bump until the players get what they actually wanted, a few levels later. I see wish lists less as a nefarious method to create spoiled players and more of a tool of convenience for the table. Much like how convenient items frequently show up in the fantasy story source material. [/QUOTE]

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