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<blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 4701101" data-attributes="member: 32536">Wow, this thread is exploding in size so quickly that I can hardly keep up... Anyways, may as well respond to this regardless.Honestly, you are putting Tolkien's setting too much on a pedestal. The world itself isn't really all that unique or fleshed out in the greater scheme of things.Besides, the real focus of my point was that, in a sense, Middle-Earth really isn't a static setting that is identical between all of its different incarnations. I think it can be argued that Middle-Earth itself is portrayed very differently between The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. In a sense, The Lord of the Rings ret-cons many aspects of the setting in order to better tell its own story. More importantly, it is quite clear that Tolkien created the characters and core story and events of his stories first, and created the specific details of the setting to match his story afterwards. Which do you think existed first: Bilbo and the Thirteen Dwarves or the den of giant spiders they are attacked by? Was Thurin created first or was Orcrist? It is not like Tolkien created the entirety of Middle-Earth down to the last detail first and then decided to tell a story using a few bits and pieces he created. This is even clearer in the story of the Silmarillion, really.Both are settings for MMORPGs, so they can't be that different. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Besides, I said Azeroth, the setting for the Warcraft series, not World of Warcraft. There is a slight difference, which gets to the heart of the whole &quot;setting is reinvisioned for each new version&quot; thing I mentioned above.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TwinBahamut, post: 4701101, member: 32536"] Wow, this thread is exploding in size so quickly that I can hardly keep up... Anyways, may as well respond to this regardless. Honestly, you are putting Tolkien's setting too much on a pedestal. The world itself isn't really all that unique or fleshed out in the greater scheme of things. Besides, the real focus of my point was that, in a sense, Middle-Earth really isn't a static setting that is identical between all of its different incarnations. I think it can be argued that Middle-Earth itself is portrayed very differently between The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. In a sense, The Lord of the Rings ret-cons many aspects of the setting in order to better tell its own story. More importantly, it is quite clear that Tolkien created the characters and core story and events of his stories [i]first[/i], and created the specific details of the setting to match his story afterwards. Which do you think existed first: Bilbo and the Thirteen Dwarves or the den of giant spiders they are attacked by? Was Thurin created first or was Orcrist? It is not like Tolkien created the entirety of Middle-Earth down to the last detail first and then decided to tell a story using a few bits and pieces he created. This is even clearer in the story of the [i]Silmarillion[/i], really. Both are settings for MMORPGs, so they can't be [i]that[/i] different. ;) Besides, I said Azeroth, the setting for the Warcraft series, not World of Warcraft. There is a slight difference, which gets to the heart of the whole "setting is reinvisioned for each new version" thing I mentioned above. [/QUOTE]

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