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<blockquote data-quote="jim pinto" data-source="post: 4712334" data-attributes="member: 17619">The majority of what has been so far has been about world creation, realities, wish lists, and so on. A lot of that is prep work for someone. Even if it's fun for him to do, it's still work and requires time.Yes. Excellent point. Entertainment is those things. But watching is passive and taking part in an activity is active. There's a huge difference here in expectation. If someone (and many players do this) shows up to a game and half-asses his way through the session, making poor decisions, triggering traps just to do it, opening doors and getting monsters to chase him, and so on, without any thought to how cause and effect might unhinge the fun of the game for others, it becomes the JOB of the GM to fix it.Usually. Right?And I think you are using FUN and ENTERTAINMENT as synonyms and I am being very careful to split the hairs between the too. I think gaming should be fun. No doubt. But I also think the work load should be egalitarian.I also PAY the comedian to entertain me. A very important distinction. The comedian you get for free, usually isn't funny.As for the rest of your point, I'm not taking away FUN from the GM, I'm trying to lighten his workload, so he can enjoy the fun with everyone else, instead of feeling like an underpaid and underappreciated actor. What else is a wishlist, but another way for the PCs to tell the GM that he's not living up to their expectations.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jim pinto, post: 4712334, member: 17619"] The majority of what has been so far has been about world creation, realities, wish lists, and so on. A lot of that is prep work for someone. Even if it's fun for him to do, it's still work and requires time. Yes. Excellent point. Entertainment is those things. But watching is passive and taking part in an activity is active. There's a huge difference here in expectation. If someone (and many players do this) shows up to a game and half-asses his way through the session, making poor decisions, triggering traps just to do it, opening doors and getting monsters to chase him, and so on, without any thought to how cause and effect might unhinge the fun of the game for others, it becomes the JOB of the GM to fix it. Usually. Right? And I think you are using FUN and ENTERTAINMENT as synonyms and I am being very careful to split the hairs between the too. I think gaming should be fun. No doubt. But I also think the work load should be egalitarian. I also PAY the comedian to entertain me. A very important distinction. The comedian you get for free, usually isn't funny. As for the rest of your point, I'm not taking away FUN from the GM, I'm trying to lighten his workload, so he can enjoy the fun with everyone else, instead of feeling like an underpaid and underappreciated actor. What else is a wishlist, but another way for the PCs to tell the GM that he's not living up to their expectations. [/QUOTE]

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