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<blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 4380299" data-attributes="member: 51325">Um, isn't the main problem with allowing &quot;profitable&quot; crafting is that if successful, you can buy magic items that, unlike WoW aren't level limited?&nbsp;For example, as Staffan pointed out, there is a significant time investment on the part of the player to actually get the required materials AND the player can't use anything that is more powerful than his level.&nbsp;Contrast that with any version of D&amp;D (from BECMI to 4e).&nbsp;Player: &quot;I have CRAFT Magic Shebang&quot;DM: &quot;It'll take six weeks&quot;Player: &quot;We do anything for 6 months guys? No, then I'll take six months, and make as many Magic Shebangs as I can&quot;DM: &quot;Ok, six weeks have passed. You have x Magic shebangs&quot;&nbsp;Now if said item is something that can be sold for a profit, there's nothing preventing the player from simply taking even a longer time off and then simply buying a more powerful item than his level.&nbsp;I always assumed this was why neither 3e or 4E have anything resembling a decent craft system.&nbsp;Unless we go back to a) not being able to sell magic items or b) Magic items being level-limited, crafting is just opening itself up to abuse.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AllisterH, post: 4380299, member: 51325"] Um, isn't the main problem with allowing "profitable" crafting is that if successful, you can buy magic items that, unlike WoW aren't level limited? For example, as Staffan pointed out, there is a significant time investment on the part of the player to actually get the required materials AND the player can't use anything that is more powerful than his level. Contrast that with any version of D&D (from BECMI to 4e). Player: "I have CRAFT Magic Shebang" DM: "It'll take six weeks" Player: "We do anything for 6 months guys? No, then I'll take six months, and make as many Magic Shebangs as I can" DM: "Ok, six weeks have passed. You have x Magic shebangs" Now if said item is something that can be sold for a profit, there's nothing preventing the player from simply taking even a longer time off and then simply buying a more powerful item than his level. I always assumed this was why neither 3e or 4E have anything resembling a decent craft system. Unless we go back to a) not being able to sell magic items or b) Magic items being level-limited, crafting is just opening itself up to abuse. [/QUOTE]

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