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<blockquote data-quote="Meatboy" data-source="post: 6130876" data-attributes="member: 40857">I'm sorry you lost me a few times here, so I hask that you please clear a few things up for me.1. Critical hits and disintegrate? I only mentioned disintegrate because that, and other ray spells were what got me thinking about this in the first place. Plus as far as I am able to find even though they require an attack roll they can't critical.2. Armor effects touch AC? Since when? It very specifically states in the rules that touch AC forgoes armor bonus, shield bonus and natural armor bonus. All other bonuses to armor do stack but those are no where near as abundant as the first three. Pluas as was mentioned above reflex save actually increases over levels, but with touch ac you have to aquire equipment to help boost it.3. Reflex save and touch AC are completely different? I don't see this. To me they both represent a character trying use their quickness (dexterity) to get out of harms way. Reflex saves against ranged attacks for me is a different beast but not something I am entirely against. The problem i do see with that is rays or other touch attacks are all or nothing, they have the same effect regardless if a character gets blasted in the face or the little finger. Most ranged attacks could scratch a character or bounce off shields or any other way of &quot;missing&quot; or showing&nbsp; a low damage roll.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Meatboy, post: 6130876, member: 40857"] I'm sorry you lost me a few times here, so I hask that you please clear a few things up for me. 1. Critical hits and disintegrate? I only mentioned disintegrate because that, and other ray spells were what got me thinking about this in the first place. Plus as far as I am able to find even though they require an attack roll they can't critical. 2. Armor effects touch AC? Since when? It very specifically states in the rules that touch AC forgoes armor bonus, shield bonus and natural armor bonus. All other bonuses to armor do stack but those are no where near as abundant as the first three. Pluas as was mentioned above reflex save actually increases over levels, but with touch ac you have to aquire equipment to help boost it. 3. Reflex save and touch AC are completely different? I don't see this. To me they both represent a character trying use their quickness (dexterity) to get out of harms way. Reflex saves against ranged attacks for me is a different beast but not something I am entirely against. The problem i do see with that is rays or other touch attacks are all or nothing, they have the same effect regardless if a character gets blasted in the face or the little finger. Most ranged attacks could scratch a character or bounce off shields or any other way of "missing" or showing a low damage roll. [/QUOTE]

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