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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 8633238" data-attributes="member: 7026594">I think I'd like to see that too.We know that the older big claim that 4E sold badly was wrong, or perhaps only correct against expectations.  We know that Pathfinder only tied it pretty late in 4E's cycle, and truly surpassed it around when 4E stopped having new releases entirely.  But given D&D's historic market dominance, that was certainly performing below expectations.  And there's some chicken-or-the-egg there.  No doubt part of the reason WotC stopped releasing 4E books was because they weren't dominating the market anymore.I'd be really curious to see comparative sales numbers in absolute terms between 3E & 4E.  The 3.5 to 4E stretch of years definitely seemed to be one in which Hasbro was leaning on WotC to pump out hardcovers at a kind of absurd rate.I don't know if 4E would have exploded- between poor marketing alienating some gamers and the aforementioned flood of books for 3E and 3.5, a LOT of folks were inclined to stick with 3.x.  There was a big sunk cost effect at play, even before we get into how much the big changes did or didn't appeal to some.I do think there's a lot of validity to the latter statement, though.  The decision to have the GSL for 4E instead of including it in the OGL does seem like it was a terrible corporate misstep.  Between alienating Paizo as a partner and turning them into a direct competitor, and making it less easy for other third party companies to support the new edition...</blockquote>

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