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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7975909" data-attributes="member: 5142">I'm still not sure that this conversation matters for the purposes of answering this genre question. If we want to discuss whether psionics in D&D is magic, then this just goes back to what [USER=7006]@DEFCON 1[/USER] said: it depends on what is meant by magic. It's odd to me, for example, that divine "magic" constitutes magic considering that there is a long pattern in history of saying that supernatural effects performed by the faithful are "miracles" and explicitly not magical, since "magic" is something performed by the non-faithful, charlatans, pagans, etc. But by D&D standards, the "magic" of wizards and the "miracles" of clerics are one and the same: magic. I don't mind psionics being a form of magic, as per 3e and 4e D&D, BUT this is again where I take issue: the attempt by people to advocate that the wizard subsume all things magical. So I would argue that psionics, psychics, and the "occult" (to borrow the Pathfinder 2 term) do have a sufficiently different set of class fantasy and aesthetics from the wizard, warlock, and sorcerer to justify its own identity as a class or form of magic (e.g., divine, arcane, etc.). I would also say that this form of magic may even have its own advantages (and disadvantages) and that a lack of material components would be part of that, since that fits the aesthetics. I did like the earlier suggested idea that a Psion gradually learns to remove the need of the various spell components or can play with concentration mechanics for their spells/powers, but that it's not necessarily automatic.</blockquote>

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